harmony wrote:JAK wrote:The issue is not what someone likes. The issue is definition upon which there is consensus. No consensus has been established for “sin.”
In the LDS church, there is certainly a consensus for what is sin. What is considered a sin outside of the LDS church does not concern members of the LDS church. I'm not sure you understand that.
And religious notions (in the plural) of “sin” lack consensus as my post demonstrated.
JAK
Only in your mind. In the mind of LDS, and much of the conservative EV world, religious notions of sin prevail.
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harmony states:
In the LDS church, there is certainly a consensus for what is sin. What is considered a sin outside of the LDS church does not concern members of the LDS church. I'm not sure you understand that.
Let’s see that “consensus” in a list of “sins.” You can hardly argue with any integrity that
sin is sin. Killing your wife/husband hardly equates to stealing a package of gum. While you may contend both are “sin,” you would be in a most indefensible position to contend that they are
equal.
Hence, harmony, you continue to
beg the question which I have posed.
You have established no LDS consensus let alone general religious consensus.
Are you aware that only today a Muslim woman was executed for a “sin.” The “sin” was that she was riding in a car with a man (just two people in the car) who was not a relative or hers or her husband. In Islam, that was “a sin” which received fatal punishment.
As I stated previously and to which you have offered
no refutation: SIN IS RELATIVE.
So, let’s see your list.
Objectively speaking, LDS is but one of more than
1,000 groups which regard themselves as
Christian. And as you have failed to offer any refutation: These groups do not agree on religious doctrines and dogmas. LDS is only one of the many dogmas.
I’m skeptical that there is as much agreement as you claim.
See
this series of discussions on Mormon validity.
See
Marg’s discussion here and elsewhere regarding the dishonesty in the evolution of Mormonism.
Of course if one lives in one’s own
cave only, one can pretend there is nothing outside the cave. It appears to me that you are at least attempting to do that.
You’re unresponsive to questions. You substitute assertion for discussion.
Keep in mind the the emergence and evolution of religious myths including myths about “sin” have taken place over extended periods of time in human evolution and cultural evolution within civilizations.
Mormonism is a very late comer to the Protestant Reformation (1517).
You appear to be oblivious to the historical realities of evolving religious perspectives over many centuries.
But, based on your statement, you should be able to provide a
list of
sins in order of severity as you claim
consensus in Mormonism.
I’m skeptical that you can do it. You dodge the issues regarding consensus and merely claim they exist. I have given you an example from Islam which is far different from any examples you can cite in LDS let alone Christianity in general in which “sin” is
RELATIVE not absolute.
JAK