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[_marg]

One more time, the church does not teach respect for homosexuals and their needs as human beings. It is no wonder Gaz is disrespectful of them. It must be very confusing for him.

I mean, really, how f*** stupid are you? Really. When will you get it through to your thick bonehead that the issue here isn't Gaz, but your utter ignorance?

Not nearly as stupid as you, that's for sure.

[_Ray A]

Not nearly as stupid as you, that's for sure.

Cute.

Yawn.

Is it your bedtime yet, or do you need some more arguments to keep the 25 watts in your brain ticking? What would you do if you didn't argue with someone on here at least thrice daily? Gawd.

[_marg]

Not nearly as stupid as you, that's for sure.

Cute.

Yawn.

Is it your bedtime yet, or do you need some more arguments to keep the 25 watts in your brain ticking? What would you do if you didn't argue with someone on here at least thrice daily? Gawd.

Good night gullible one.

[_Roger Morrison]

Jason, it was good to read You a few pages back. Thanks for being a level-head here... I 'pray' that You will become more recognized in LDSism for your qualities of leadership that are sorely needed in that institution... Otherwise I think it will be their loss...

GAZ, Your good-intent is unfortunately at cross purposes with the principles taught by Jesus of Nazareth, as understood by Paul...(1 Cor. 13:1-8) IMSCO...
I'm curious, do your local leaders--Bishop & SP--know of the hates, hostilities & vehemences You so often express here?? Do you have a current TR?
Roger
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[_truth dancer]

Gaz,

Why is it that for someone to be a true follower of Christ in your eyes they have to lay down and allow filth to wash over them and say "Its ok, I love them and I forgive them?"

Being a true follower of Christ means following his teachings. You don't. In fact you seem completely at odds with his message of kindness and charity.

You seem to have grabbed onto (your interpretation of) one weird idea and in doing so totally ignore the real message. Why not take some time and review some of the scriptures that have been shared with you? 1 Cor 1-13 is a great one, The Good Samaritan is another, how about the sermon on the mount for starters?

Gaz, step back and take a look at what you are believing. Open up the New Testament. Seriously. I'm pleading with you here. You come across like a matthew sheppard torturer waiting to pounce. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Shepard) It is scary to think someone like you is out and about in public not to mention the fact that you are probably teaching your children to hate as well.

This is mindboggling to me.

What is mind boggling is that you can seriously think you are in line with the teachings of Jesus, and that your hate-mongering is of God. WOW!

How am I to forgive someone who is actively abusive?

Again, YOU ARE NOT GOD. Come on Gaz, what is up with your God fantasy? And who is actively abusive? And to whom?

I've mentioned several times on this board that a few houses down from me is a fabulous family with a two mothers. They have incredible children, they are devoted and loving parents. What is there to forgive? And why do you think YOU have to forgive them? You are speaking NONSENSE Gaz. Truly nonsense.

You forgive all who are struggling to be obedient. you forgive the repentant. You love the sinner and hate the sin, but that does not mean that you take no stand against false teachers. That does not mean that you are a doormat.

This is your own little idea not the one taught by Jesus Christ. (Did you go back and read the scripture on forgiveness)? Again, "all" means, all. And what is up with the "false teachers". Being gay doesn't all of a sudden mean one is a teacher? This is nonsense Gaz.

I come on this board and state an obvious truth in regards to homosexuality, and Im lambasted as a hatemonger.

Gaz... come on. What obvious truth did you state? And you are lambasted as a hatemonger because you are one. You are filled with hatred and cruelty and you try to justify it by blaming God. Plain and simple. Guess what Gaz, I see nowhere where God condones your hatred and cruelty. Nowhere. You are way off on this Gaz. You need to step back and get some help with this.

I rememebr as a youth I was taught that in the last days peopel would call evil good and good evil. I thought to myself that that was the dumbest thing I've ever heard, and now thirty years later I see this prophecy coming to fruition.

That scripture is talking about YOU. You think hatred and cruelty are good. WRONG Gaz. Listen to Jesus.

Any society that embraces filth is ripe for a culling. I don't know how or when, but it will come. The modern Gadianton robbers that the Book of Mormon warns us about are already on their way into this promised land, and they are here because the people embrace them and their product. America wants its immoraltiy and substance abuse with any accountability, and its sorely mistaken if they think their private abuses are without side effects and social impact.

OK, so let God destroy the world. If God is going to kill everyone let God do the work and stop promoting hatred as if it is of God.

I have yet to hear any horrible side effect from being homosexual to society. In fact, I find without exception every gay or lesbian person I know has made a great contribution to society and to the lives of others. Again, you just make up stuff to try to justify your hatred.

Your views have nothing to do with God or the scriptures. They have to do with YOU. You use God as the excuse but it is about YOU Gaz. Let it go.

Gaz, you are scary. You seem to be the type who is one hair's breath away from not tolerating those who you think are evil. Since I highly doubt you would talk to a counselor, I would invite you to talk to your Bishop and tell him of your feelings. Maybe he can help you.

~td~

[_truth dancer]

Gaz, in case you won't click on the link about Matthew Sheppard, here is an example of what your hatred and non-tolerance of homosexuals can turn into:

Shortly after midnight on October 7, 1998, 21-year-old Shepard met McKinney and Henderson in a bar. McKinney and Henderson offered Shepard a ride in their car.[4] Subsequently, Shepard was robbed, pistol whipped, tortured, tied to a fence in a remote, rural area, and left to die. McKinney and Henderson also found out his address and intended to rob his home. Still tied to the fence, Shepard was discovered eighteen hours later by Aaron Kreifels, who at first thought that Shepard was a scarecrow. At the time of discovery, Shepard was still alive, but in a coma.

Shepard suffered a fracture from the back of his head to the front of his right ear. He had severe brain stem damage, which affected his body's ability to regulate heart rate, body temperature and other vital signs. There were also about a dozen small lacerations around his head, face and neck. His injuries were deemed too severe for doctors to operate. Shepard never regained consciousness and remained on full life support. As he lay in intensive care, candlelight vigils were held by the people of Laramie.[5]

He was pronounced dead at 12:53 A.M. on October 12, 1998 at Poudre Valley Hospital in Fort Collins.[6][7][8][9] Police arrested McKinney and Henderson shortly thereafter, finding the bloody gun as well as the victim's shoes and wallet in their truck.[3]

The two men had attempted to get their girlfriends to provide alibis.[10]

Please get some help Gaz.

[_Jason Bourne]

Why is it that for someone to be a true follower of Christ in your eyes they have to lay down and allow filth to wash over them and say "Its ok, I love them and I forgive them?"

Jesus said it man not me. He said it in the Bible, the Book of Mormon and the D&C.

This is mindboggling to me.

Being a true disciple of Christ is a hard thing.

How am I to forgive someone who is actively abusive? You forgive all who are struggling to be obedient. you forgive the repentant.

Nope. Jesus said we have to forgive everyone. He chooses whom to forgive and not to forgive. And this makes sense. In the Christian thought we are all sinners. You commit one sin you are banned from God's presence. Does not matter what it is. Big or little. James says break one part of the law and you are guilty of all. So in Christian thought we all are in desperate straights and need forgiveness. We want mercy not justice. The demands of justice send us to hell. You are no better than the homosexual who you think is a vile sinner. You need Jesus just as much as he does. So you must have mercy to obtain it. If you don't you don't get mercy. Read the parable of the debtor Gaz.

Jesus did not give any qualifiers in the D&C passage Liz quoted. It says He will forgive whom he will forgive but of us it is required to forgive ALL persons or the greater sin is on our head.

You love the sinner and hate the sin, but that does not mean that you take no stand against false teachers. That does not mean that you are a doormat.

I did not say you do not cry repentance. I did not way you don't encourage the sinner to reform. But you do it with Charity, you know Gaz, that pure love of Christ thing. You don't reflect that at all when you tall about homosexuals and other sinners. And you must have forgiveness toward the sinner even if they do not repent.

I come on this board and state an obvious truth in regards to homosexuality, and Im lambasted as a hatemonger

You are acting like one.

I rememebr as a youth I was taught that in the last days peopel would call evil good and good evil. I thought to myself that that was the dumbest thing I've ever heard, and now thirty years later I see this prophecy coming to fruition.

In some cases sure. That does not mean you are not requred to forgive even those who call good evil and evil good.

Any society that embraces filth is ripe for a culling. I don't know how or when, but it will come. The modern Gadianton robbers that the Book of Mormon warns us about are already on their way into this promised land, and they are here because the people embrace them and their product. America wants its immoraltiy and substance abuse with any accountability, and its sorely mistaken if they think their private abuses are without side effects and social impact.

Pehaps but it is not your call to do the culling.

There will be a reaping.

And you may be a part of it if you are not willing to forgive as Jesus said you must.

[_marg]

You love the sinner and hate the sin, but that does not mean that you take no stand against false teachers. That does not mean that you are a doormat.

I did not say you do not cry repentance. I did not way you don't encourage the sinner to reform. But you do it with Charity, you know Gaz, that pure love of Christ thing. You don't reflect that at all when you tall about homosexuals and other sinners. And you must have forgiveness toward the sinner even if they do not repent.

What lacks in this discussion is an acknowledgement that the church teaches disrespect toward homosexuals in particular describing them as sinners and teaching they are not allowed to have sexual relationships. It is nonsense to teach that homosexuals are sinners yet one should love them. Homosexuals don't need love, at least not a false love by rote words learned, they need respect, equal rights and protection under the laws as married individuals have, protection from discrimination. And they aren't going to get respect if religious organizations teach they are sinners.

And in my opinion a key problem with Gaz's thinking is his perception that homosexuality is a choice. If he appreciated it wasn't a choice, he might gain some empathy.

[_Jason Bourne]

Gaz, I don't blame you one bit. You've been taught to disrespect and not accept gays, and yet everyone it seems, is mad at you for doing so. This is not about "love". People don't love strangers, they either respect or they disrepect, and you are just following the church teachings.

No Marg. Gaz has not been taught to disrespect gays the way he is by the LDS Church. Yes he has been taught that homosexuality is sinful. He has been taught a variety of other things are sinful as well. One actually can disapprove of choices and activities one engages in and not radically condemn them. I explained that up above. The idea comes from realizing we all sin, all need salvation through our redeemer and thus are not to condemn anyone. That is not our place. You know, that he who is without sin casting the first stone thing.

So Marg, please provide me comments by LDS leaders where behavior such as Gaz's is taught and approved.

Oh and yes, Marg, people can have a form of general love for their fellow humans beings without knowing them. And you can love someone and not respect or approve of certain activities.

[_marg]

So Marg, please provide me comments by LDS leaders where behavior such as Gaz's is taught and approved.

I didn't say Gaz's behavior is approved by the church, maybe some Bishops would approve his attitude I don't know, it's possible. But going by what I've read on this thread, by you , you have said the Church does not accept homosexual relationships. That's not being loving nor accepting and in fact it is disrespecting their rights.

by the way out of curiosity how does that work in Canada where homosexuals can legally marry?

Oh and yes, Marg, people can have a form of general love for their fellow humans beings without knowing them. And you can love someone and not respect or approve of certain activities.

Well that's a problem here isn't it. By what right does anyone else have to not accept what a homosexual does in their private sexual lives? And what right does the church have to promote a teaching that homosexuals should not have sexual relationships.

As to your last line, love is meaningless if respect is not there.