Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver

[_harmony]

I am sure God appreciate you making this your business and for being so even-handed in your demands for repentence around here. After all, you have set the foremost example of repentence and seeking forgiveness as well as posting in a way that doesn't engender the least offence.. So, who better?

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

I didn't "make" this my business, Wade. Will's the one who posted his vile remarks, and no denial will suffice. God know Will behaved as no priesthood holder can, and still maintain his priesthood.

At this point, it's his eternal soul that's in jeopardy. I'm surprised you haven't tried to help him, as any active priesthood holder would. Jason tried; perhaps you'll have a better chance? God will not be mocked.

[_Droopy]

Well, Droopy, it really doesn't matter what you think. What matters is what God knows.

The problem is your utter lack of moral credibility based upon self admitted aspects of your own relationship to the Church and your longstanding stated beliefs and sentiments about it here.

The last thing you can be taken seriously on are claims of this kind about someone else for which no documentary evidence exists.

[_harmony]

No, however, moral or intellectual credibility. We will never know the answer to this because the evidence, such as it was, apparently does not now exist, and because the source of the claim cannot possibly be trusted as a credible source of such a claim about another individual.

Move along...

God knows, Droopy. You aren't in the loop.

[_harmony]

The problem is your utter lack of moral credibility based upon self admitted aspects of your own relationship to the Church and your longstanding stated beliefs and sentiments about it here.

The last thing you can be taken seriously on are claims of this kind about someone else for which no documentary evidence exists.

I don't have anything to prove to you, Droopy. The church isn't God, and God knows.

[Guest]

Let me here level a shameless attack on the baseless attacks of MsJack and the shameless Red Kevin Graham on Will, who's scholarly contributions to Book of Abraham apologetics, up to this point, have led to baseless attacks by shameless people (some doubtless wearing little black dresses, while others here would no doubt opt for the classic Che Guavera T-shirt or "Free Mumia" baseball cap) on his character in shameless and baseless ways that would shame anyone who wasn't shameless and equally shame anyone who wasn't baseless.

These baseless attacks are all, of course, a great diversionary exercise in both character assassination (the forté of the Trailerpark) and - what is the primary shameless point of such baseless attacks - the shameless and baseless attempt to shamelessly divert attention from the baseless attempts by the shameless long haired dope smoking, maggot infested, commie-pinko, FM type, NPR voiced, Birkenstock wearing, roach clip kissing, little black dress wearing intellectual hacks, poseurs, and shameless anti-Mormon bigots that inhabit this board and who have been so flummoxed, folded, spindled, and mutilated by Will's efforts in defending and testifying (the real bothersome aspect, I have little doubt) of the authenticity of the Book of Abraham, that the absence of intellectual substance left to them by their own shameless lack of knowledge and serious, intellectually honest study of the Book of Abraham and the questions surrounding it, have left them no recourse but baseless ad hominem slander, to blacken Will's character and baselessly impugn him as a person in public.

As I told her in that PM, if indeed the photo she posted of herself in a black dress was the same black dress she wore to the Exmormon Foundation 2006 Conference, then I have, all along, been mistaking her for someone else. The exceedingly inebriated woman I observed at the Exmo conference was most definitely not attired in the rather modest dress that KA modeled in the photo she posted.

Who is it again whose character has been unfairly maligned?

KA

[_RockSlider]

The problem is your utter lack of moral credibility based upon self admitted aspects of your own relationship to the Church and your longstanding stated beliefs and sentiments about it here.

I've only been around for a couple of years but in that time have never seen Harmony say anything that would indicate this "utter lack of moral credibiltity". I've seen it over and over again for William.

What in the world are you talking about Droopy? What are you baseing this claim on?

[_Droopy]

Loran, Wade and Belmont,

With regards to the OP, I have this to say to all three of you.

Stand for something... besides your "side".

Jersey Girl

I stand for the provision of some degree of evidence of Will's alleged misogyny beyond what Will has described adequately as PG rated digs at various woman now and then over time, and that the c^%t term was ever actually used (Will has flatly denied it).

I'm not saying that some of what Will has said here is not inappropriate. However, the great, swelling tsunamis of righteous feminist indignation at sundry lapses of propriety when dealing with certain woman he does not like (and there are some woman here, as men, that make it very, very easy not to like them) are, given the evidence provided, way overwrought and clearly strained as to their depth and overall importance as aspects of Will's character, and all of this is done, without any doubt, to cast doubt on Will's character with the ultimate objective of avoiding engagement with his apologetic work and winning an overall argument, or set of arguments with him, by default.

Let's just be up front with that, shall we?

[_harmony]

I stand for the provision of some degree of evidence of Will's alleged misogyny beyond what Will has described adequately as PG rated digs at various woman now and then over time, and that the c^%t term was ever actually used (Will has flatly denied it).

God knows. Denials mean nothing in the face of that.

I'm not saying that some of what Will has said here is not inappropriate. However, the great, swelling tsunamis of righteous feminist indignation at sundry lapses of propriety when dealing with certain woman he does not like (and there are some woman here, as men, that make it very, very easy not to like them) are, given the evidence provided, way overwrought and clearly strained as to their depth and overall importance as aspects of Will's character, and all of this is done, without any doubt, to cast doubt on Will's character with the ultimate objective of avoiding engagement with his apologetic work and winning an overall argument, or set of arguments with him, by default.

Let's just be up front with that, shall we?

This thread is not about Will's apologetic work nor is it about his arguments. Stick with the topic of the thread.

[_Jersey Girl]

Taking this in small bites...

Loran

I stand for the provision of some degree of evidence of Will's alleged misogyny beyond what Will has described adequately as PG rated digs at various woman now and then over time, and that the c^%t term was ever actually used (Will has flatly denied it).

Will flatly denied virtually all of the remarks he's made as documented in Jack's OP.

On this thread, I have asked harmony if he called her a c**t. She replied in the affirmative.

I have never known harmony to lie or deny her way out of anything on this board. Why? She doesn't need to. The other situations referenced in the OP are enough to hang a case of misogyny on Will.

So you tell me, Loran, what you think her motivations would be to lie about this one incident? Do you think she cares either way about his apologetics and if you do, tell me why she cares.

[_Dr. Shades]

Please... one more time: continue to procrastinate your repentence, Will. The Atonement doesn't work, if you don't follow the entire process. . . If he does not repent, his eternal soul is in jeopardy; God will not be mocked.

With all due respect, I think you're missing a key piece of the puzzle, harmony: Will believes that his calling and election have been made sure (apparently he doesn't realize that this requires a special ritual in the upper-room of the temple and a special invitation to participate therein), so he simultaneously believes himself to be exempt from the normal rules of repentance that the rest of us have to follow. In other words, he believes that he has a golden ticket from God to do and say whatever he wants.

Nothing encourages respectful treatment of others like a lynch mob full of hypocrits.

"Hypocrites," Wade? Tell me: Which of the rest of us in this thread (or on this entire board) have gleefully paraded even 1% of the repulsive misogyny that William has?

No matter how he riles anyone, he is still our brother.

Speak for yourself.

So, who is going to make a list of the good things Schryver has said?

If you can actually find any, then someone might do it.

Who to believe, Will or Harmony[?]

ROTFLMFAO!!