Counter-Evidence Regarding Joseph Smith and Plural Marriage

[_Themis]

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And, as I said, it quite reasonable to find Joseph Smith' behavior troubling particularly in the realm of polygamy. Putting myself in his shoes, having to live his life, feel the pressure of his life, and practice polygamy as directly and personally commanded of God--my goodness, I don't know how I'd handle it, or how I'd behave. With this, I feel like I can kinda get where's he coming from.

Why not just send an angel with a flaming sword to others like Emma? Why is it that Joseph is the only one?

Demonstrating man can be inerrant isn't the purpose of the prophet--at least I don't see any reason to believe that.

Why do those trying to defend Joseph go for the worst reasoning around. No one expects a prophet to be perfect, but is it unreasonable to expect him to be better then average. We are talking about committing one of the worst sins according to church doctrine here. His behavior does not suggest God commanded it, and the we just don't know defense is even worse. It just allows anyone to believe what ever the hell they want to.

oh I see..yes twice a day is all I need, I guess.

Thanks for making my point.

[_stemelbow]

Why not just send an angel with a flaming sword to others like Emma? Why is it that Joseph is the only one?

Beats me. Why do you suppose I'd know the answer to that?

Why do those trying to defend Joseph go for the worst reasoning around.

Because we're straight up dummies, I suppose.

No one expects a prophet to be perfect, but is it unreasonable to expect him to be better then average.

"than average" you mean. Just kidding. I don't mind hte errors. So on what scale are you considering him not better than average? your subjective one? Or mine?

We are talking about committing one of the worst sins according to church doctrine here. His behavior does not suggest God commanded it, and the we just don't know defense is even worse. It just allows anyone to believe what ever the hell they want to.

What's wrong with letting believers believe what ever the hell htey want to? I mean we are given our agency to choose our beliefs afterall. Why can't we have one believer think Joseph Smith practiced polygamy and it was commanded of God, and another one think Joseph Smith never did really practice polygamy, and yet another think Joseph Smith erred in the whole deciding to practice polygamy? You seem to advocate something kinda strangely "get in line or I'll kick you out" to me.

Thanks for making my point.

You're welcome, Temis. I may consider doing that for you every time you feel you have a point to raise, if that's what you're interested in.

[_Morley]

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What's wrong with letting believers believe what ever the hell htey want to? I mean we are given our agency to choose our beliefs afterall. Why can't we have one believer think Joseph Smith practiced polygamy and it was commanded of God, and another one think Joseph Smith never did really practice polygamy, and yet another think Joseph Smith erred in the whole deciding to practice polygamy? You seem to advocate something kinda strangely "get in line or I'll kick you out" to me.

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So, you don't believe that there is value (to both society and individuals) in determining truth and then promoting it?

[_stemelbow]

So, you don't believe that there is value (to both society and individuals) in determining truth and then promoting it?

No..that's not my position. My goodness...

[_Morley]

So, you don't believe that there is value (to both society and individuals) in determining truth and then promoting it?

No..that's not my position. My goodness...

How not? You did say:

What's wrong with letting believers believe what ever the hell htey want to? I mean we are given our agency to choose our beliefs afterall. Why can't we have one believer think Joseph Smith practiced polygamy and it was commanded of God, and another one think Joseph Smith never did really practice polygamy, and yet another think Joseph Smith erred in the whole deciding to practice polygamy? You seem to advocate something kinda strangely "get in line or I'll kick you out" to me.

Aren't you pleading to let everyone believe whatever they want to believe--regardless of the so-called facts?

[_stemelbow]

So, you don't believe that there is value (to both society and individuals) in determining truth and then promoting it?

Aren't you pleading to let everyone believe whatever they want to believe--regardless of the so-called facts?

I'm not sure what you're looking for. One could very well think it appropriate to let people believe whatever they want while simultaneously believe it is appropriate for people to promote whatever they think is true.

[_Morley]

So, you don't believe that there is value (to both society and individuals) in determining truth and then promoting it?

Aren't you pleading to let everyone believe whatever they want to believe--regardless of the so-called facts?

I'm not sure what you're looking for. One could very well think it appropriate to let people believe whatever they want while simultaneously believe it is appropriate for people to promote whatever they think is true.

Yes, one could. However, that was not what you seemed to be arguing for.

[_stemelbow]

Yes, one could. However, that was not what you seemed to be arguing for.

Well then offer me a peaceful pardon for me not making my pont clear, if you would.

[_Jason Bourne]

So far, no one has provided any counter-evidence regarding this issue, even though Droopy assured me that I've disingenuously ignored such evidence. Nevo and bcspace have disagreed with my response to the evidence (with bc attacking my character for good measure), but no one has provided any evidence to dispute the fact that Joseph Smith married women (and consummated those marriages) without Emma's knowledge or consent.

Runtu

Don't expect it. BC and Droopy know they lose miserably on this one. They always do. They just put you or others down ( well Droopy does, BC just runs away or says what about the children which is a ludicrous defense) who bring this issue up with well documented support. I think deep down they know this is problamatic.

[_Morley]

Yes, one could. However, that was not what you seemed to be arguing for.

Well then offer me a peaceful pardon for me not making my pont clear, if you would.

My apologies (and whatever pardon it's in my power to grant), Stem. Pax.