a five+ year crusade of character assassination

[_Doctor Scratch]

No..I said that you made an issue out of an Amazon wish list which turned out to be Dan's son's wish list. This was explained by Daniel, himself, in the thread that Simon referenced.

Frankly, I think it is creepy that you are perusing through Amazon, looking for Dan's wish list.

Why? He himself invited people to look at it:

How hopelessly pretentious, mindlessly hostile, and spectacularly ignorant you are, Scratch, to presume to know what I read and what I listen to.

Here's a clue: Look for my name as a reviewer on Amazon.com.

viewtopic.php?p=254283#p254283

He also posted a link to his Amazon reviews over at MDD/MAD, because he was trying to recruit people over to "gangpile" onto the Amazon page for the Book of Mormon. (I cited his review of this earlier in this thread.)

But you already know this, Liz--or at least you ought to. I sent you a PM at the time that this was going down.

There was a thread devoted to covering all this:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=19172

Also, you KNOW that what I posted about Tim Tribe is true.

No, it's not. This is what you said:

However, DCP is not the only person Scratch has harrassed in this way. The only way Tim Tribe could persuade Scratch to take his Linked In picture off of Scratch's website was to delete his own account from MDB, and vow never to post on MDB or MDD about apologetics again.

The part I underlined is totally false--it's you making things up because you're still pissed off and looking to place blame on me for you deleting your own Cafeteria message board. What I told him was that, if he was concerned enough to want to be anonymous, that I'd help him. I said nothing about him "deleting" his account, or any such thing. I have all the old PMs from him to prove it. The "vowing" to never post thing is utter nonsense. And in the end, I just can't drum up a whole lot of sympathy for ttribe. He had his own means of harassing people and being abusive.

You can deny this and justify it all you want. The readers here can decide for themselves based on the information presented. All I know is, anyone who crosses you should seriously be looking over their shoulder because you don't play fair, by any means.

I'm wondering what it is you get out of continuously looking to pick fights, Liz.

[_Yoda]

Tim agreed to stop posting if you agreed to take his picture down. I remember that. I am not going to try to search for it. Tim's account has been deleted from here. I will, however, email him and see if there is a way he would be willing to verify the facts.

I'm wondering what it is you get out of continuously looking to pick fights, Liz.

Now who is being passive/aggressive, acting like the victim? Sound like anyone else you criticize regularly?

I'm done engaging you, Scratch. Go ahead. Claim everything I have said here is a lie.

All I did was offer my opinion about this 5 year feud. You seem to ignore the fact that I haven't agreed with DCP's actions in this, either.

But you have gone above and beyond when it comes to tapping into other parts of posters' personal lives. I know that your view is "all is fair in what is posted on the Internet". That may very well be, but that doesn't make it any less creepy.

[_Doctor Scratch]

Tim agreed to stop posting if you agreed to take his picture down. I remember that. I am not going to try to search for it. Tim's account has been deleted from here. I will, however, email him and see if there is a way he would be willing to verify the facts.

Well, that's his spin on things. My position was always simply this: if he wanted anonymity, I would help him. That's exactly what I said. He would usually respond with something like, "Well, I'll delete my accounts and never post again!" to which I'd reply, "I don't care whether you keep posting, whether your stop posting, or whether you get a sockpuppet. All of that is totally beside the point." He was intent on spinning/interpreting things so that it would seem that I "demanded" that he stop posting, which just isn't true.

I'm wondering what it is you get out of continuously looking to pick fights, Liz.

Now who is being passive/aggressive, acting like the victim? Sound like anyone else you criticize regularly?

I'm done engaging you, Scratch.

Oh, I rather doubt that. Probably five months from now you'll still be looking for some way to exact revenge. You've been looking to take potshots ever since The Cafeteria went down. Your double posting of your false accusations both here and on the "I'm a Woman?" thread are just the latest example: you won't let things go. And which night was it that you posted some thing to me, and then popped into chat in order to demand that I go look at it and respond? You want revenge, Liz. In spite of everything that's been said to you--by me, by your friends, by acquaintances--you want me to "pay" for your deletion of your own board. That's what this all boils down to. If you want to keep harping on it and feeling angry about it---well, hey: that's your prerogative. But my vote is that you let it go. Take your own advice and quit engaging me.

Go ahead. Claim everything I have said here is a lie.

Okay.

All I did was offer my opinion about this 5 year feud.

Uh, no. You posted the same post on two separate threads, so that goes beyond mere "offering" of opinion. This is on top of your other pot-shot posts, your comments on the "Meltdown" thread, the pestering in the chat room, and the PMs you sent.

But you have gone above and beyond when it comes to tapping into other parts of posters' personal lives. I know that your view is "all is fair in what is posted on the Internet". That may very well be, but that doesn't make it any less creepy.

Keep making those digs, Liz. I hope it makes you feel better.

[_Drifting]

Tim agreed to stop posting if you agreed to take his picture down. I remember that. I am not going to try to search for it. Tim's account has been deleted from here. I will, however, email him and see if there is a way he would be willing to verify the facts.

But you previously said

However, DCP is not the only person Scratch has harrassed in this way. The only way Tim Tribe could persuade Scratch to take his Linked In picture off of Scratch's website was to delete his own account from MDB, and vow never to post on MDB or MDD about apologetics again.

Is this less than 100% accurate?

[_Yoda]

Tim agreed to stop posting if you agreed to take his picture down. I remember that. I am not going to try to search for it. Tim's account has been deleted from here. I will, however, email him and see if there is a way he would be willing to verify the facts.

But you previously said

However, DCP is not the only person Scratch has harrassed in this way. The only way Tim Tribe could persuade Scratch to take his Linked In picture off of Scratch's website was to delete his own account from MDB, and vow never to post on MDB or MDD about apologetics again.

Is this less than 100% accurate?

I'm failing to see how these statements are different?

[_Drifting]

However, DCP is not the only person Scratch has harrassed in this way. The only way Tim Tribe could persuade Scratch to take his Linked In picture off of Scratch's website was to delete his own account from MDB, and vow never to post on MDB or MDD about apologetics again.

Is this less than 100% accurate?

Liz, you seem to be backtracking.
You've gone from being definite (see quoted post) to now talking in terms of 'I remember that' and 'I am not going to try to search for it'.

I'm interested as I have a theory about Scratch (which is posted earlier in the thread).

[_Yoda]

Liz, you seem to be backtracking.
You've gone from being definite (see quoted post) to now talking in terms of 'I remember that' and 'I am not going to try to search for it'.

I'm interested as I have a theory about Scratch (which is posted earlier in the thread).

I fail to see how I am backtracking. I stated that I remember what happened, and I do. Tim was desperate to have Scratch remove that Linked In picture off of Scratch's website. He said that he was legitimately concerned about it affecting him from a work standpoint. Scratch taunted him, and told him that he shouldn't have put his Linked In in is signature on the MAD board if he didn't want people to look at it.

Tim did NOT put it in his signature on this board. He put it in his sig on the other board.

This is part of what I mean about crossing boundaries, and developing the creep factor. Scratch takes it upon himself to dig into others' personal and professional lives.

And, regardless of whether or not it was a stupid move on Tim's part to post the Linked In link in his signature, when Tim stated that his picture being posted on Scratch's website would negatively affect his work, Scratch should have honored that. It was just the right thing to do. Instead, he played all of these head games with Tim, and volunteered to "help" him by having him jump through all of these hoops.

That is the truth, whether Scratch wants to sit here and deny it, or not.

There are plenty of other people here who witnessed that whole scenario and know exactly what I am talking about.

It was that scenario, in partiicular, that caused me to really think differently about Scratch and how he operates.

[_Yoda]

ETA--It would have been one thing to post a link...but lifting his picture...that is where the "creep factor" enters into it for me.

[_stemelbow]

Of course it seems that way to you. That's because all of this is in the context of a message board about Mormonism, and the LDS Church has conditioned you to assess the truth value of a given proposition or argument in terms of your emotions.

That's not true at all. You have again attempted to discuss me when you fail to understand what you are talking about, DJ. Ah well.

Your visceral reaction to "an attack on the Church" distracted you from the actual point, which is that criticism of a "pseudonym" is obviously criticism of who is using the pseudonym. It isn't a "comparison;" it is illustrating the double standard, that being the calling card of Simon Belmont's sense of morality.

You missed my point then. Your attack on the Church was not my only point. You see, the pseudonym of the Church, as you call it, is clearly representative of the Corp. The pseudonym of Scratch represents some unknown guy that no one on these boards knows, it seems. That's quite a difference that you seemed to have missed in your attack on the Church.

Your being spoon fed by the Church the idea that good feelings are indicative of truth value is a large part of why you cannot distinguish between facts and value judgments or between evidence and dogma. It's why you so often characterize evidence-based argument as "whimperin' and whinin'," and why you assume that people who are not dazzled by the puerile reasoning so often seen in defense of the faith must be "angry." You impute reaching conclusions based on emotion to other people because you simply have no frame of reference otherwise. And you are utterly incapable of self-reflection about this, no more than a fish is capable of introspection about the water in which it swims.

Do you notice how often you comment on me in your responses rather than sticking to the discussion at hand? Sadly the reason for that is deeper than just some passing hostility towards me, I fear. As it is, you don't even know me but you feel so obliged to discuss me, and why you don't like me or why I"m bad, in nearly every response yo offer me. Its really weird behavior, DJ. I'm sorry you think its cool and appropriate. It looks like you've been trained and spoon fed appropriately though.

[_Drifting]

Liz, you seem to be backtracking.
You've gone from being definite (see quoted post) to now talking in terms of 'I remember that' and 'I am not going to try to search for it'.

I'm interested as I have a theory about Scratch (which is posted earlier in the thread).

I fail to see how I am backtracking. I stated that I remember what happened, and I do. Tim was desperate to have Scratch remove that Linked In picture off of Scratch's website. He said that he was legitimately concerned about it affecting him from a work standpoint. Scratch taunted him, and told him that he shouldn't have put his Linked In in is signature on the MAD board if he didn't want people to look at it.

Tim did NOT put it in his signature on this board. He put it in his sig on the other board.

This is part of what I mean about crossing boundaries, and developing the creep factor. Scratch takes it upon himself to dig into others' personal and professional lives.

And, regardless of whether or not it was a stupid move on Tim's part to post the Linked In link in his signature, when Tim stated that his picture being posted on Scratch's website would negatively affect his work, Scratch should have honored that. It was just the right thing to do. Instead, he played all of these head games with Tim, and volunteered to "help" him by having him jump through all of these hoops.

That is the truth, whether Scratch wants to sit here and deny it, or not.

There are plenty of other people here who witnessed that whole scenario and know exactly what I am talking about.

It was that scenario, in partiicular, that caused me to really think differently about Scratch and how he operates.

Thanks for responding Liz.