New Intel: The Decline of Pres. Monson

[_moksha]

But I think Packer, as much as I like his fire and brimstone, ...

What a delightful way of putting that particular quality. Thanks Bc.

[_Mercury]

Here's hoping Monson doesn't do something truly demented in public, such as quoting from FrontPageMag.

Here is hoping he does. I;m wishing he will escape his minders, go looking for a pudding cup, wandering through the city creek mall with nothing but threadbare G's on and muttering to his dementia addled self.

[_malkie]

Emeritus prophet?!

This is a pretty big deal. 1000x bigger than the Maxwell business. We shall wait and see.

I think it's a good idea; not that I think it must be done now. But I think Packer, as much as I like his fire and brimstone, would have to be given the same status at approximately the same time.

Well, if Packer does become president really soon, that may be good news for the Obama campaign. Bad news for the LDS Church, but potentially great news for Obama, especially if Packer were to stage a deeply reactionary General Conference in October

Not at all. The Left already hates the Church and knows what it's doctrine is. Monson took some pretty nasty swipes at the gay lobby in his first public appearance as prophet If I recall correctly. It can be done again.

Wow!

Perhaps we should get the Left to teach Sunday School, Priesthood etc.

[_lulu]

I think it's a good idea; not that I think it must be done now. But I think Packer, as much as I like his fire and brimstone, would have to be given the same status at approximately the same time.

And that would be the behind-the-doors deal. One would step down if the other would too. But Packer would never go for it. And thus Uchtorf and Eyring will hang on to the presidential corpse, like Howard Hugh's, until it can no longer be considered alive.

[_ajax18]

If a condition means that inhibitions are lost then people act out on those then I don't think it is any reflection on who they were before.

I think it disproves the idea that being truly converted to Christ removes your desire to sin. Obviously the desire is still there, it's just being repressed. Now that it can't be repressed, it comes out into the light.

[_Nightlion]

Deuteronomy 34:7
7 ¶ And Moses was an hundred and twenty years old when he died: his eye was not dim, nor his natural force abated.

Quoted for context.

[_ludwigm]

Dear brothers and sisters here!

You seem to forget that I am ranking next after bro. Monson and bro. Packer.

Reportedly, Perry is dealing with dementia, as well.

Anyway, - according to his own words - he was brave enough in 2004 to kick Packer in the shins, then revealed this deed at Kuna Idaho Stake Conference...


... then - in the same year - was asked by church president Gordon B. Hinckley to serve as president of the church's Europe Central Area, headquartered in Frankfurt, Germany, a position normally held by a member of the seventy. This made Perry one of the most senior officials of the church ever to be stationed away from Salt Lake City.

[_no thanks]

This is all so insane. All this will take is one of these guys to stand up and announce they no longer have the health/mental acuteness to continue in the calling and go on emeritus status. Once you break the log jam, then it becomes a lot easier for others to follow. I bet you up to half of the Q15 would be mostly relieved to become emeritus GA's and go into retirement and occasionally give a talk in General Conference or Stake/Regional conferences, maybe go to Disney land with the grand kids or take a cruise or ten. Then healthier men, or even better, men and women could take over.

Once a rock star, always a rock star.

And your basic premise is off. You assume they want the best for the organization. There is nothing that currently support that assumption. If any of the Brethren really wanted the best for the organization, they'd open the books. And they don't, so they don't.

While I definitely see where you could read that from my post, I'm not really assuming that they are interested in what's best for the organization. It's more what's best for them. Not to have everyone see them descend into senility on camera, and or to simply retire and enjoy their "golden" years.

[_Sophocles]

I bet you up to half of the Q15 would be mostly relieved to become emeritus GA's and go into retirement and occasionally give a talk in General Conference or Stake/Regional conferences, maybe go to Disney land with the grand kids or take a cruise or ten. Then healthier men, or even better, men and women could take over.

I could see members of the Seventy buying into retirement, but I'll bet every apostle down to the last man is driven by the prospect that he could one day be running the whole damn show. His name would literally be immortalized in song (albeit Primary songs) and added to the short list of men revered as near gods among Mormons. No one remembers Richard Evans or Delbert Stapely or George Morris. But Howard W. Hunter will forever be a household name, though he was prophet less than a year.

Furthermore, they don't have to work for it. They don't have to suck up to their superiors or pad their resumes or make the right alliances. All that is done. The job is theirs for the taking. All they have to do is outlive the men around them.

Yeah, I bet some of the seventies that get emeritized are relieved, but the 12 are so close they can taste it.

[_Garbo]

I bet you up to half of the Q15 would be mostly relieved to become emeritus GA's and go into retirement and occasionally give a talk in General Conference or Stake/Regional conferences, maybe go to Disney land with the grand kids or take a cruise or ten. Then healthier men, or even better, men and women could take over.

I could see members of the Seventy buying into retirement, but I'll bet every apostle down to the last man is driven by the prospect that he could one day be running the whole damn show. His name would literally be immortalized in song (albeit Primary songs) and added to the short list of men revered as near gods among Mormons. No one remembers Richard Evans or Delbert Stapely or George Morris. But Howard W. Hunter will forever be a household name, though he was prophet less than a year.

Furthermore, they don't have to work for it. They don't have to suck up to their superiors or pad their resumes or make the right alliances. All that is done. The job is theirs for the taking. All they have to do is outlive the men around them.

Yeah, I bet some of the seventies that get emeritized are relieved, but the 12 are so close they can taste it.

Uchtdorf came to our stake back when he was still in the Seventy. (In fact, coincidentally enough, Schryver was on the stake high council at the time and was the guy who was assigned to take care of Uchtdorf's every need while he was here and I saw them talking together both before and after stake conference--something Schryver was sure to remind everyone in Sunday School about when Uchtdorf was called to the Big Twelve a year or so later. He claimed he predicted to Uchtdorf that he would be called to the 12.)

Anyway, I know lots of people really like Uchtdorf, but he came across to me as a very arrogant, egotistical guy who likes to give orders.