Polygamy

[_grindael]

Mark my words. Our contributions will live on, and future generations will see the Mopologists for what they are, sad defenders of a dying dinosaur. (The Mormon Hierarchy)

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You see, folks, that out of all the evidence I posted, he focuses on this and then goes on his Mopologist rant about it, while ignoring everything else. This is how he rolls. Ignore and shelf the actual evidence and troll everyone with BS. He's a baby Trump. Ultimate liar and con.

MENTAL'S INNER S(H)ELF



And, this is hilarious ... he claims he is NOT a Mopologist (who is was addressed to) and then answers it just like a Mopologist! Wow, I'm fascinated at how that brain works, how it could be so messed up... No wonder he's incoherent all the time!

[_Maksutov]

Mark my words. Our contributions will live on, and future generations will see the Mopologists for what they are, sad defenders of a dying dinosaur. (The Mormon Hierarchy)

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You see, folks, that out of all the evidence I posted, he focuses on this and then goes on his Mopologist rant about it, while ignoring everything else. This is how he rolls. Ignore and shelf the actual evidence and troll everyone with BS. He's a baby Trump. Ultimate liar and con.

MENTAL'S INNER S(H)ELF



And, this is hilarious ... he claims he is NOT a Mopologist (who is was addressed to) and then answers it just like a Mopologist! Wow, I'm fascinated at how that brain works, how it could be so messed up... No wonder he's incoherent all the time!

This is what a testimony is:



It's called "Fake it til you make it." Emphasis on the fake. Just say stuff and it will become true.

[_Maksutov]

Mark my words. You highly over rate/over state the effects of your doings as Mormons and followers of the Prophet Joseph Smith. The Gospel of Jesus Christ and the CofJCofLDS will continue to be exposed as inventions for the benefit of corrupt men. The lowly in heart and meek of the earth will realize that they do not have to be defrauded and abused by religious fanatics. You and your ilk/kind will melt away as the morning dew and there will be nothing of any value left to see except for some fascinating accounts of perversion, corruption and fanaticism that masqueraded as the message of Jesus Christ.

Fixed it for you.

Let's see if MG can stay away. My bet is he can't. What will we hear next? More testimonies? More derails? More FAIRMORMON or MI links? Pious platitudes? Or more and more lies?

[_grindael]

You know, it's just like a Mopologist to give their "regards" (best wishes (used to express friendliness in greetings, especially at the end of letters), when they are telling you that,

You and your ilk/kind will melt away as the morning dew and there will be nothing of any value left to see

And "ilk" is derogatory by the way (when someone refers to a person along with his or her ilk, it is meant in a disparaging or dismissive manner.)

So basically this schizophrenic Mopologist is telling me that I'm of no value and then giving me "best wishes".

Who the hell does that? And unfortunately it's not a joke or sarcastic, since he does it to everyone he speaks to.

What a bizarre, creepy thing to do. Mak, I'm going for pious platitudes and lies. That's his M.O.

[_Res Ipsa]

Mark my words. Our contributions will live on, and future generations will see the Mopologists for what they are, sad defenders of a dying dinosaur. (The Mormon Hierarchy).

Mark my words. You highly over rate/over state the effects of your doings as anti-Mormons and detractors of the Prophet Joseph Smith. The Gospel of Jesus Christ and the CofJCofLDS will continue to fill the earth before the Second Coming of the Savior. The lowly in heart and meek of the earth will come into God's Kingdom. You and your ilk/kind will melt away as the morning dew and there will be nothing of any value left to see except for some broken testimonies and hearts of those that have left the church.

As I've said before, you and your kind are a necessary part of the 'program' in that it is needful that there is opposition in all things so that folks are left to either choose to believe in Jesus Christ/Heavenly Father and adherence to gospel ordinances/commandments or go their own way. Faith and belief in God is an act of agency which entails real choices.

I don't count myself as a Mopologist as much as I count myself as a disciple of Christ and seeker of truth. And that seems to bother you to no end. For the times that I may have offended/hurt you, I apologize. I could have been better.

And by the way, if the Apostles and Prophets are indeed called by Jesus Christ, they're not going anywhere as did the dinosaurs. In fact, they will hand over the kingdom over to Christ when He returns.

Carry on, as you must.

Regards,
MG

I've noticed this is your go-to move when confronted with factual evidence to which you can't respond. I get that your church and it's teachings are significant to you, and that's cool with me. But you don't have to mark my words about anything when it comes to the significance of Mormonism -- you just have to look at the facts. Mormonism in the U.S. has been treading water for the last decade, with self-identified Mormons representing less than 2% of the population. During that same period, the percentage of atheists doubled. There are twice as many self-identified atheists in the U.S. today as there are self-identified Mormons. There are 10X the number of self-identified "nones" in the U.S. today as there are self-identified Mormons. https://www.pewforum.org/2019/10/17/in- ... apid-pace/

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints isn't filling even the U.S. It's most significant impact on the U.S. is as a real-estate developer. Its geriatric leadership is more concerned with tinkering with internal structure and bureaucracy than with major issues facing humans today. Outside of its concentration in Utah, it's not a leader in anything of substance, including religion.

World-wide, using even the church's own inflated membership numbers, Mormons are about .02% of the population. Mormonism isn't filling anything. On the scale of the world as a whole, it's an insignificant religious sect. It's one of a number of American sects that happened to catch on better than others (although it currently trails the Seventh-Day Adventists in total claimed membership). But its suffering from the same problems that have been afflicting other Christian sects in the U.S. -- inability to attract and retain young folks and men. The higher birthrate may have kept the self-identified membership from declining to date, but even that rate is falling. It wouldn't be surprising at all to see an absolute decline in the number of self-identified members in the U.S. in the near future. (And, yes, I know that you have both increases and decreases in numbers covered because you have prophetic predictions both ways -- pretty neat.)

But your predictions of the church filling the earth and critics melting away are just whistling past the graveyard. I doubt the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints will disappear. It will continue to exist for decades to come. And it will continue to have influence in Utah, where its membership will continue to be concentrated. But zoom out and it's just another religious sect. It will be remembered more for its oddity than anything else: the outlandish claims of its founder, its golden Bible, polygamy, the westward migration and settlement of Utah, odd underwear, secret temple rituals, and baptizing and marrying dead people. On a world-wide scale, it won't be remembered as significant, let alone as God's one and only true church.

[_Holy Ghost]

Mark my words. You highly over rate/over state the effects of your doings as anti-Mormons and detractors of the Prophet Joseph Smith. The Gospel of Jesus Christ and the CofJCofLDS will continue to fill the earth before the Second Coming of the Savior.

That's funny. Mormonism has already stalled out. It isn't filling the earth, not even the pews in its chapels, many of which are now empty during Sunday services. Maybe your Jesus has reconsidered, "Meh. Not going back down there." Mormonism is like the appendix in your body. It's a vestige from the past, a hangover that serves no purpose, but still it's there. Serving no function, but sometimes gets inflamed, infected and festers, and needs to be removed.

[_SteelHead]

This opposition to God's plan and persecution of his people was prophicied. This is the fulfillment of his plan.

Isn't god great?

[_grindael]

This is important because it's what Smith, et al. predicted and taught his chosen "apostles" and others, and Pratt ran with it...

The Book of Mormon contains many Prophecies, yet future, with names, places and dates so definite, that a child may understand; indeed it is one of the peculiar characteristics of the Book of Mormon, that its predictions are plain, simple definite, literal, positive, and very express, as to the time of their fulfilment. Notice a prediction of Nephi, page 125, second edition. “For after the book, of which I have spoken, shall come forth, and be written unto the Gentiles, and sealed up again unto the [p.23]Lord; there shall be many, which shall believe the words which are written and they shall carry them forth, unto the remnant of our seed, (the Indians,) and then shall the remnant of our seed know concerning us; how that we came out from Jerusalem; and that they are the descendants of the Jews; and the gospel of Jesus Christ, shall be declared among them; wherefore they shall be restored unto the knowledge of their fathers; and also to the knowledge of Jesus Christ, which was had among their fathers; and then shall they rejoice for they shall KNOW, that it is a blessing unto them, from the hand of God. And their scales of darkness shall begin to fall from their eyes; and many generations shall not pass away among them; save they shall be a white, and delightsome people. And it shall come to pass that the Jews which are scattered, also shall begin to believe in Christ; and they shall begin to gather in upon the face of the land; and as many as shall believe in Christ, shall also be a delightsome people; and it shall come to pass, that the Lord God shall commence his work among all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people, to bring about the restoration of his people upon the earth… . For the time speedily cometh, that the Lord God shall cause a great division among the people, and the wicked will he destroy, and he will spare his people.”

Also, page 121, 2d edition. “Behold that great and abominable Church, the whore of all the earth, must tumble to the earth, and great must be the fall thereof: for the kingdom of the devil, must shake; and they which belong to it must needs be stirred up unto repentance, or the devil will grasp them with his everlasting chains, and they be stirred up to anger, and perish; for behold at that day shall he rage in the hearts of the children of men, and stir them up to anger against that which is good.”

Also, page 122, 2d edition. “Woe unto all those who tremble and are angry, because of the truth of God; for behold he that is built upon the rock, receiveth it with gladness: and he that is built upon a sandy foundation, trembleth, lest he shall fall.” Also, page 123, 2d edition. “Woe be unto the Gentiles, saith the Lord God of Hosts; for notwithstanding I shall lengthen out my arm unto them from day to day, they will deny me.” See also page 514, and read the fate of our nation, and the fate of the Indians of America; in the day that the Gentiles should reject the fullness of the Gospel.—(The Book of Mormon.) See also, page 526, where a sign is given, and the time clearly set for the restoration and gathering of Israel from their long dispersion, namely, the coming forth of the Book of Mormon, should be the sign; and in the day this work should come forth, should this great event commence among all nations. Also, p.527, where all who will not hearken to the Book of Mormon, shall be cut off from among the people; and that too, in the day it comes [p.24]forth to the Gentiles and is rejected by them. And not only does this page set the time for the overthrow of our government and all other Gentile governments of the American continent, but the way and means of this utter destruction are clearly foretold, namely, the remnant of Jacob will go through among the Gentiles and tear them in pieces, like a lion among the flocks of sheep. Their hand shall be lifted up upon their adversaries, and all their enemies shall be cut off. This destruction includes an utter overthrow, and desolation of all our Cities, Forts, and Strong Holds—an entire annihilation of our race, except such as embrace the Covenant, and are numbered with Israel.

Now, Mr. Sunderland, you have something definite and tangible, the time, the manner, the means, the names, the dates; and I will state as a prophesy, that there will not be an unbelieving Gentile upon this continent 50 years hence; and if they are not greatly scourged, and in a great measure overthrown, within five or ten years from this date, then the Book of Mormon will have proved itself false. And furthermore, as Mr. La Roy Sunderland has lied concerning the truth of Heaven, the fulness of the Gospel; and has blasphemed against the word of God, except he speedily repent, and acknowledge his lying and wickedness, and obey the message of eternal truth, which God has sent for the salvation of his people. God will smite him dumb, that he can no longer speak great swelling words against the Lord; and a trembling shall seize his nerves, that he shall not be able to write; and Zion’s Watchman shall cease to be published abroad, and its lies shall no longer deceive the public; and he will wander a vagabond on the earth, until sudden destruction shall overtake him; and if Mr. La Roy Sunderland enquires, when shall these things be? I reply, it is nigh thee—even at thy doors; and I say this in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.

I hope Mr. Sunderland, will no more complain of the jargon of the Mormon Prophets being unintelligible or indefinite.

Yeah, all those fabulous events that Jo Smith got them all worked up over and had them believing they could curse people and "smite them dumb" and give them nerve diseases so they cannot write and that Sunderland would become a "vagabond" ... blah, blah, blah.

Nope, none of it ever happened and Sunderland outlived Parley Pratt by decades. It was Pratt who was shut up, murdered by an angry man whose wife Pratt had bedded and took for a Spiritual Wife. And now it's been almost 200 years since the church was founded and they have hardly any members (in relation to "filling the earth") and this, that they love to quote, is simply as out of reach as anything can be...

This is weird little Gordo Hinckley in 2007:

There are now more than 13 million of us in 176 nations and territories. A marvelous and wonderful thing is coming to pass. The Lord is fulfilling His promise that His gospel shall be as the stone cut out of the mountain without hands which would roll forth and fill the whole earth, as Daniel saw in vision (see Daniel 2:31–45; D&C 65:2). A great miracle is taking place right before our eyes.

And as Res noted above, in 200 years very little has happened and it won't. I was wrong, the Mormon church was never a "dinosaur", it was never big. It was a varmint like a possum or a prairie dog, and it's already ROAD KILL. Can any of these Mopologists explain Pratt's great prophecy and failure to curse someone with the Priesthood. How freaking embarrassing that it all backfired on him. His "authority" meant nothing. He was an inept buffoon spouting gibberish he learned from the master con, Jo Smith.

And once again, Mental shows us how ridiculous and fruitless it is with his vapid Mopologetics. An Apostle of the Mormon Church PROVED the Book of Mormon WAS FALSE!!!

I freaking love it!

[_DoubtingThomas]

These people when they committed their heinous activities were not acting in accordance with the teachings/practices of the CofJCofLDS.

The 19th century CofJCofLDS and the Bible never criticized the practice of child marriage. Child marriage was very common in the ancient world and in the 19th century, but god never made it a sin because he didn't care. For god breaking the 4th commandment was much more serious than child marriage.

In D&C 91:1 god said, "Verily, thus saith the Lord unto you concerning the Apocrypha—There are many things contained therein that are true, and it is mostly translated correctly".

39 And they all blessed the Lord who brought this thing about, and they gave him Rebecca, the daughter of Bethuel, for a wife for Isaac.

40 And the young woman was of very comely appearance, she was a virgin, and Rebecca was ten years old in those days

https://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/apo/jasher/24.htm

[_Maksutov]

There's another explanation...

Joseph was a fallen prophet. He was in the service of Satan and God took him. Satan crept in with the occult rituals in the temple and the lust of the brethren. It's been the Church of Satanic Saints ever since.