Shout Out to Shulem!

The catch-all forum for general topics and debates. Minimal moderation. Rated PG to PG-13.
Post Reply
User avatar
Shulem
God
Posts: 7602
Joined: Wed Oct 28, 2020 1:40 am
Location: Facsimile No. 3

Re: Shout Out to Shulem!

Post by Shulem »

Perfect! This is the image I was wanting most. Can you rotate it in different ways and then post them? I'd love to see them in one place from every angle!

Image
Doctor CamNC4Me
God
Posts: 9714
Joined: Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:04 am

Re: Shout Out to Shulem!

Post by Doctor CamNC4Me »

Image

Image

Image
User avatar
Shulem
God
Posts: 7602
Joined: Wed Oct 28, 2020 1:40 am
Location: Facsimile No. 3

Dead man comes to life!

Post by Shulem »

Bony is rising from the dead!

:lol:

Image
Doctor CamNC4Me
God
Posts: 9714
Joined: Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:04 am

Re: Shout Out to Shulem!

Post by Doctor CamNC4Me »

Image

Image

Image

Image
User avatar
Shulem
God
Posts: 7602
Joined: Wed Oct 28, 2020 1:40 am
Location: Facsimile No. 3

Hash mark

Post by Shulem »

There can be no doubt that this mark was set for a reason. It didn't get there by itself. The sketch artist put it there as a marker. It serves as a reminder to come back and deal with the problem -- the mark is a kind of question mark (?).

Image
User avatar
Shulem
God
Posts: 7602
Joined: Wed Oct 28, 2020 1:40 am
Location: Facsimile No. 3

Re: Shout Out to Shulem!

Post by Shulem »

Thank you Doctor CamNC4Me for your speedy help!

Oh boy. We need to think this over and contemplate....

:geek:
User avatar
Shulem
God
Posts: 7602
Joined: Wed Oct 28, 2020 1:40 am
Location: Facsimile No. 3

Make it look natural

Post by Shulem »

Bear in mind, if those cuts were indeed made for the purpose of tearing out a section of papyrus, it would only be necessarily to make small cuts in the Mark of the Square whereby the rest could be torn about in rigid fashion. The purpose was simply to get it started and not let it look obvious. All you need is the first cuts and then you go from there. Make the rest look naturally torn so nobody would ever suspect a piece was cut out intentionally.

:geek:
Doctor CamNC4Me
God
Posts: 9714
Joined: Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:04 am

Re: Shout Out to Shulem!

Post by Doctor CamNC4Me »

I just really appreciate the focus and work you put into this issue, Dr. Shulem. You’ve really helped me understand the scope and magnitude of the Church’s deception regarding the Book of Abraham.

- Doc
User avatar
Gabriel
Teacher
Posts: 242
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2021 10:20 pm

Re: Shout Out to Shulem!

Post by Gabriel »

Hey Guys,

New here. Not sure if this is too much of a tangent for this fascinating topic; nor am I sure that it isn't already old news, but here goes:

I was reading the online version of the Book of Abraham on the church website around the time of the Robert Rittner interviews. Having been out of the church for so long, I didn't have a hard copy with me and was just trying to refresh my memory as to its contents. The online version was pretty much as I remembered with the facsimiles at the beginning of the Book of Abraham narrative. Then I noticed around the time of RFM's interview with Professor Bokovoy that on the church's website the facsimiles have been relocated to the end of the Book of Abraham - almost as if they are appendices to the Book of Abraham and not germane to the story. Also, the sacrifice scene at Abraham 1:15 has a link to a modern artist's rendition rather than the one in Facsimile !. I am posting the URL to the artist's rendition because I couldn't figure out how to copy and paste the image on this post.

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/med ... d?lang=eng

At any rate, I am wondering if the church is moving the facsimiles to the end of the narrative as a preliminary move to just get rid of them altogether and go full-on catalyst theory so that they no longer have to deal with all the issues that you and a host of other scholars are raising on the forensic side of things.
User avatar
Shulem
God
Posts: 7602
Joined: Wed Oct 28, 2020 1:40 am
Location: Facsimile No. 3

Re: Shout Out to Shulem!

Post by Shulem »

Gabriel,

Thank you for your contribution and feel free to make as many you like. Yes, the Church is moving the Facsimiles away from the narrative. It's long been a matter of speculation that the Facsimiles will eventually be removed from a future edition of the Pearl of Great Price. The days are numbers and they will be gone!

You are correct that the Church refers readers to a modern version of the Sacrifice Scene and NOT to Facsimile No. 1. This is manifest by:

1. CHAPTER 1
2. Scroll down to verse 15
3. Click on the photograph ICON located in the empty margin to the right of the verse
4. The image appears to the far right with the caption written below: An Angel Saves Abraham

Image

Note that Abraham hardly looks a day over 30 and he looks like he was born and raised in Tulsa Oklahoma.

Also note that he doesn't have a beard. Hardly fitting for an Asiatic!

What a joke!
Post Reply