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Post by **_beastie** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 9:11 pm

Maybe you don't see yourself very well. I don't think you do. You can't even tolerate posting on MA&D. Do you know why? Because you're intolerant of the "Mormon Mindset". You get frustrated when Mormons keep believing "all that crap". It irks you, doesn't it?

No. I'm intolerant of the "Juliann mindset", which is the theme over at MAD.

I participated for years at Z, Ray, or has your current rabidity written history, as well? If I couldn't tolerate the "Mormon mindset", I would hardly have stuck it out there as long as I did.

_Ray A · Post by **_Ray A** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 9:19 pm

beastie wrote:
No. I'm intolerant of the "Juliann mindset", which is the theme over at MAD.

The "Juliann minsdet"? How come the board then has more critics than defenders? Why do they keep posting, some for years, if they can't tolerate "the Juliann mindset"? Even Bond is there. But he has never been Mormon and doesn't appear to have an ax to grind. And I'll give Bond kudos for a funny blog.

beastie wrote:I participated for years at Z, Ray, or has your current rabidity written history, as well? If I couldn't tolerate the "Mormon mindset", I would hardly have stuck it out there as long as I did.

That's because Z was different than FAIR/MA&D, and you know all about the history of the breakaway.

_Ray A · Post by **_Ray A** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 9:26 pm

Incidentally, I do think it's this board that makes me rabid. I like posting here, but I really do think it's in my best interests, and the interests of those here, to post on MA&D alone. I'll give beastie a point win - I can tolerate exmos about as much as you can tolerate Mormons. I am as guilty as you are.

Post by **_beastie** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 9:29 pm

That's because Z was different than FAIR/MA&D, and you know all about the history of the breakaway.

Exactly. The Juliann mindset is the difference. Clearly, my 'intolerance' has nothing to do with a Mormon mindset per se, since the Mormon mindset was all over Z as well.

I've spelled it out so many times, but I will do so briefly one more time.

The Juliann mindset is that believers are entitled to special moderator bias and critics ought to put up with a certain amount of personal attacks, whereas believers don't have to put up with any personal attacks, for the simple reason that Mormons beliefs are being "attacked".

Personally, I think that if this is the inevitable conclusion of opening an LDS board to critics, then one ought not to open it to critics in the first place. If having their beliefs criticized is so stressful to LDS that they must have biased moderation, then they ought not to go places where their beliefs are being criticized, much less create an entire board open to that purpose.

by the way, you have totally bought in to the Juliann mindset, which is why I criticize you now, whereas I didn't, in the past. So I am quite consistent in this particular regard.

My intolerance of the Juliann mindset is also why I also view PP and Mercury differently than I view you and MAD in general. I dislike much of their tone and ignore most of their posts. However, they're not hypocritical like you - they don't demand the right to attack believers and then act as if believers don't have the right to attack back. There is no openly biased moderation on THIS board, nor is their the expectation of such. Some people just like to behave badly on the internet, and as long as they aren't rampant hypocrites about it, I will just choose to ignore them.

_Ray A · Post by **_Ray A** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 9:40 pm

beastie wrote:The Juliann mindset is that believers are entitled to special moderator bias and critics ought to put up with a certain amount of personal attacks, whereas believers don't have to put up with any personal attacks, for the simple reason that Mormons beliefs are being "attacked".

Your bias does show. Believers get "special moderator bias". Heavens, they have banned some believers! Which board are you reading? Which "believers" are you talking about? Look at how many personal attacks Charity has copped.

beastie wrote:Personally, I think that if this is the inevitable conclusion of opening an LDS board to critics, then one ought not to open it to critics in the first place. If having their beliefs criticized is so stressful to LDS that they must have biased moderation, then they ought not to go places where their beliefs are being criticized, much less create an entire board open to that purpose.

The critics survive just fine thank you. The Dude and I had an exchange yesterday, and I've had more than I can count with Tarski in the past. I got no "protection". None. There's a difference between criticism and ax-grinding.

_Ray A · Post by **_Ray A** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 9:41 pm

beastie wrote:Some people just like to behave badly on the internet, and as long as they aren't rampant hypocrites about it, I will just choose to ignore them.

You're doing a mighty fine job of ignoring me. LOL.

Post by **_beastie** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 9:42 pm

You missed my entire point, Ray. You're a hypocrite in your bad behavior, unlike PP and Merc. That is why I don't ignore you.

But in regards to MAD: are you actually claiming that moderators at MAD do not moderate with a bias towards believers? Is that what you are claiming??

_Ray A · Post by **_Ray A** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 9:55 pm

beastie wrote:You missed my entire point, Ray. You're a hypocrite in your bad behavior, unlike PP and Merc. That is why I don't ignore you.

Oh, that's a nice way of getting out of saying nothing about PP and Mercury. I'm the hypocrite because I defend Mormons and the Mormon lifestyle yet don't live Mormon standards. This is a choice weapon of exmos. I must be entirely consistent in word, thought, and deed. No one else here is a hypocrite. Well anyone who attacks their former religion with such viciousness is a hypocrite, and furthermore, there must be hoardes of hypocrites on RFM since they live double lives - going to church, having Mormon families, then going on RFM to blast Mormons and Mormonism. How come you never say anything about that? How come you don't attack them? How come you don't "correct" them? Because they are going in the "right" direction?

I will answer your other question soon.

Post by **_beastie** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 9:59 pm

No, Ray, you're not a hypocrite because of your pagan lifestyle, you're just weak due to that. You're a hypocrite because you claim that the bad behavior of exmormons in the internet will result in acts of real life violence against Mormons, while simultaneously engaging in just as bad behavior towards exmormons.

But your bad behavior is noble, somehow, and not a precursor of real life violence.

I've told you this many times before. Maybe you never understand my point.

_Ray A · Post by **_Ray A** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 10:05 pm

beastie wrote:
But in regards to MAD: are you actually claiming that moderators at MAD do not moderate with a bias towards believers? Is that what you are claiming??

Let me enlighten you more about MA&D. From the board guidelines:

Do enjoy the boards and allow others to enjoy them. A healthy board requires a mix of personalities, temperaments and points of view. Because we have high standards for discussion and debate, we are privileged to have several high profile scholars and apologists who post here. We ask that you respect their dignity and the investment that they have put into their research so that we can continue to enjoy their participation. We make no claim that everyone will be treated equally. Posters are only as valuable as their contributions to the board are valuable. We have zero tolerance for any comments that invade the privacy or attack the personal dignity of public figures who disclose their identity.

Did you get that? "Posters are only as valuable as their contributions to the board are valuable.

That goes for critic or apologist. And again I point out, the critics who are valuable survive quite well. And they have sometimes been told they are valuable, even though they criticise. Uncle Dale has openly said he's an anti-Mormon, yet he is one of the most valued critics on MA&D.