Lou Midgley: An LDS "Capo"?

[_Mister Scratch]

Lou Midgley did no "public smearing" at the bookstore.

Haven't you seen that picture with a sneering Lou (and some other guy) outside the UTLM bookstore? (I think it's posted somewhere on FAIR).

It's posted right here on this thread, my old friend, in the OP.

I'm sure the poor folks in Brazil (or anywhere else in the world) contributed virtually nothing to your education (it's likely they have contributed more to subsidize the mall redevelopment in downtown SLC!) -- as Bob well knows, the vast bulk of tithing comes from members in North America, and if you figure the 10% you and your parents (and many of us here) have forked over, you (and we) have more than paid for our BYU education.

Yes... Not that we can know for certain, since the books are closed, but I've long been under the impression that foreign tithing funds tended to stay in the countries of origin....

[_TAK]

Rocket:

Your circumstance is no different than that of the student who decides he wants to secretly fornicate yet hold onto his church education. Oh, I remember well, those folks living on dirt floors in Recife, Brazil, handing their tithing to the bishop to support the likes of you, my friend.

Oh spare us you big phoney.. YBU had no problem with Jim McMahon shagging his girlfriend as long as he was breaking NCAA records.

[_rcrocket]

Well, according to FARMS Review, Quinn is "dishonest" and a "bad historian" and "untrustworthy."

This one piqued my interest. I certainly don't consider him a bad historian. I cite him all the time. Which article calls him a "bad historian?"

[_Mister Scratch]

Well, according to FARMS Review, Quinn is "dishonest" and a "bad historian" and "untrustworthy."

This one piqued my interest. I certainly don't consider him a bad historian. I cite him all the time. Which article calls him a "bad historian?"

That would be Prof. William Hamblin's "That Old Black Magic":

Although I do think Quinn is a bad historian, it is not because he has gone to graduate school, nor because he is a revisionist, nor because he has been excommunicated from the LDS Church. I think Quinn is a bad historian solely because he writes bad history.

I should add that Hamblin provide the following footnote for these remarks:

I once used Quinn's first edition of Early Mormonism as an assigned reading in my undergraduate senior seminar in history as an example of how not to write history. Even those undergraduate students were easily able to discover the flaws of evidence and analysis that abound in Quinn's book.

So, not only is Hamblin engaging in character assassination in print, he is spreading his cancerous viewpoints to his students. QED.

[_cksalmon]

I once used Quinn's first edition of Early Mormonism as an assigned reading in my undergraduate senior seminar in history as an example of how not to write history. Even those undergraduate students were easily able to discover the flaws of evidence and analysis that abound in Quinn's book.

What's funny is that Hamblin most likely thinks this a slam dunk.

I used Quinn's book as an example of how not to write history. Case closed.

What he doesn't mention is that Quinn remained a faithful, believing, exiled Latter-day Saint despite his historical research.

So, what's the example being promulgated here? Don't do history that upsets the Mormon hierarchy? Don't do the sort of history that presents the sour as well as the sweet?

Frankly, I wonder if it was substantially easier than it might otherwise have been for those undergraduate students to find "flaws of evidence and analysis" simply because their TBM professor presented Quinn's book in a very negative light and as an example not to be followed.

"I told them not to trust Quinn, and, you know what? They didn't. I told them Quinn was a bad historian, and, you know what? They took me at my word. I told them this is an example of how not to do history. And, you know what? They agreed. I presented Quinn's research negatively. And, you know what? They now view Quinn's research negatively."

I told them not to think critically. And, you know what? They don't.

Meh.

Chris

[_Jason Bourne]

Lou Midgley's public smearing at the UTLM bookstore;

Midgley did not smear Tanner. He challenged her to examine her own beliefs as critically as she did her own. That is not a smear. Duh!

[_Jason Bourne]

How do you know? Were you there? The folks who were there testify the Midgley was using homosexual slurs in reference to Quinn's books.

We have Midgley's report which you utilized. The only thing you have about Midgley's LATER comments about Quinn being a Queer were SECOND hand comments by Shades made here.

See this is what you do Scratch. you are unreliable. You take a second hand report and report it as people who were there. You use wild hyperbole and make rash conclusions with little or no evidence at all. I am sure however that you will continue to do this.

[_Jason Bourne]

Lou Midgley did no "public smearing" at the bookstore.

Haven't you seen that picture with a sneering Lou (and some other guy) outside the UTLM bookstore? (I think it's posted somewhere on FAIR). Or how about Lou's heckling of Grant Palmer at a public book-signing? You don't have a problem with that?

The picture is in the OP of this thread. Midgely is not sneering at all. He is there with Matt Roper. Matt is simply smiling.

[_Jason Bourne]

Ouch. I must've hit a nerve considering your self-righteous response. You know nothing of my integrity and only exhibit more childishness with your reply. A lawyer talking about "integrity".

While I at times find Bob's indignation over things like this tiresome, overly pious and rather rigid I think it grossly unfair to attack his integrity because he is an attorney. Many lawyers are quite honest and upstanding persons and can do so while practicing their profession.

[_silentkid]

While I at times find Bob's indignation over things like this tiresome, overly pious and rather rigid I think it grossly unfair to attack his integrity because he is an attorney. Many lawyers are quite honest and upstanding persons and can do so while practicing their profession.

It was a jab in jest. I should have put the winking smiley. You see, Bob was making baseless accusations about my integrity, so I replied in kind. One of my best friends from BYU went to Harvard Law. He's a great guy. He's also a closet doubter. Woops.