Is homosexuality a choice?

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_Morley
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Polygamy-Porter wrote:
However, what about the men who are the "MAN" in the gay relationship and the women who are the woman in the lesbian relationship?

You're stereotyping. And wrong.
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Men and women are truly free moral agents. I have had some gay friends who have told me that they can not help the way they are; that they were born that way. I think one thing that they may not be aware of is that, even though we have no memory of our premortal life, we still carry the same characteristics which we developed in the premortal life by the exercise of our agency into this life, and sometimes habits and thought patterns developed are not easy to break. Nevertheless, we are all responsible for our thoughts and actions. However, unwanted habits, and habits that are not in accordance with the principles of the gospel of Jesus Christ can be done away with if one will put the proper effort into it. "I can do all things through Christ."
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gdemetz wrote:Men and women are truly free moral agents. I have had some gay friends who have told me that they can not help the way they are; that they were born that way. I think one thing that they may not be aware of is that, even though we have no memory of our premortal life, we still carry the same characteristics which we developed in the premortal life by the exercise of our agency into this life, and sometimes habits and thought patterns developed are not easy to break. Nevertheless, we are all responsible for our thoughts and actions. However, unwanted habits, and habits that are not in accordance with the principles of the gospel of Jesus Christ can be done away with if one will put the proper effort into it. "I can do all things through Christ."


Anyone can be celibate (and miserable, unless you're asexual). But you can't pray away the gay.
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gdemetz wrote:Men and women are truly free moral agents. I have had some gay friends who have told me that they can not help the way they are; that they were born that way. I think one thing that they may not be aware of is that, even though we have no memory of our premortal life, we still carry the same characteristics which we developed in the premortal life by the exercise of our agency into this life, and sometimes habits and thought patterns developed are not easy to break. Nevertheless, we are all responsible for our thoughts and actions. However, unwanted habits, and habits that are not in accordance with the principles of the gospel of Jesus Christ can be done away with if one will put the proper effort into it. "I can do all things through Christ."


Here's a test for you.

For the month of May choose to be gay.
Tell your nearest and dearest of the experiment so that they know it's a test, but to everyone else come out as gay. Live a gay life, have gay friends (without having a gay lover). See if you can choose to be attracted to a person of the same sex. See if you can choose to feel sexually attracted to a person of the same sex. Try it for the month and tell us how easy it was to choose to be gay.
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gdemetz wrote:we still carry the same characteristics which we developed in the premortal life by the exercise of our agency into this life,


You mean like sitting on the fence during the War?
"And the human knew the source of life, the woman of him, and she conceived and bore Cain, and said, 'I have procreated a man with Yahweh.'" Gen. 4:1, interior quote translated by D. Bokovoy.
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I have a gay friend in the church who is getting married (to a woman) in June. He is determined to keep striving to live the principles of the gospel. I admire him for that! Most people in his situation would just give up, become bitter toward the church, and constantly try to find fault with it in a vain and futile attempt to feel better about themselves by doing so.
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gdemetz wrote:I have a gay friend in the church who is getting married (to a woman) in June. He is determined to keep striving to live the principles of the gospel. I admire him for that! Most people in his situation would just give up, become bitter toward the church, and constantly try to find fault with it in a vain and futile attempt to feel better about themselves by doing so.
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Here is an interesting article about an engaged Rugby player who suffered a stroke and as a result became gay...

The now ex-rugby player, a flanker with his local amateur reserve side, had been attempting a back flip in front of friends on a field when he fell down a grass bank, breaking his neck and suffering the stroke.

Before the stroke: Chris Birch weighed 19 stone, worked in a bank and played rugby
He was taken to hospital where his fiancée and family spent days waiting anxiously at his bedside before he delivered the shocking news.
Mr Birch recalled: ‘I was gay when I woke up and I still am. It sounds strange but when I came round I immediately felt different.
‘I wasn’t interested in women any more. I was definitely gay. I had never been attracted to a man before – I’d never even had any gay friends.
‘But I didn’t care about who I was before, I had to be true to my feelings.’
Before the accident Mr Birch, of Ystrad Mynach, South Wales, had spent his weekends watching sport and drinking with his mates.
But he said: ‘Suddenly, I hated everything about my old life. I didn’t get on with my friends, I hated sport and found my job boring.
‘I started to take more pride in my appearance, bleached my hair and started working out. I went from a 19-stone skinhead to an 11-stone preened man.
‘People I used to know barely recognised me and with my new look I became even more confident.’




Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/artic ... z1sHeHGiTU
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gdemetz wrote:I have a gay friend in the church who is getting married (to a woman) in June. He is determined to keep striving to live the principles of the gospel. I admire him for that!


I've known people that have done this and it invariably seems to lead to agony and heartbreak. What a terrible situation for everyone involved.

gdemetz wrote:Most people in his situation would just give up, become bitter toward the church, and constantly try to find fault with it in a vain and futile attempt to feel better about themselves by doing so.


How many times will apologists repeat this old tired line? "People leave because they want to sin." I think it should be retired in disgrace.
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gdemetz wrote:I have a gay friend in the church who is getting married (to a woman) in June. He is determined to keep striving to live the principles of the gospel. I admire him for that! Most people in his situation would just give up, become bitter toward the church, and constantly try to find fault with it in a vain and futile attempt to feel better about themselves by doing so.


I hope you'll be there for him when he gets divorced.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.

B.R. McConkie, © Intellectual Reserve wrote:There are those who say that revealed religion and organic evolution can be harmonized. This is both false and devilish.
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