The Bitter Fruits of Apostacy

[_Gazelam]

...but at this point I savor the thought of her rotting in hell for all eternity.

Um... Gaz? Mormons don't believe in hell.

Just sayin'.

We don't believe it is a place, but we do believe it is a condition.

[_Ray A]

We don't believe it is a place, but we do believe it is a condition.

1 Ne 15:

35 And there is a place prepared, yea, even that awful hell of which I have spoken, and the devil is the preparator of it; wherefore the final state of the souls of men is to dwell in the kingdom of God, or to be cast out because of that justice of which I have spoken.

D&C 29:

38 And, behold, there is a place prepared for them from the beginning, which place is hell.

[_Gazelam]

Harmony,

Do you hate her for being a crack addict (lots of crack addicts in the world... do you hate them all?), or do you hate her for being your sister... and being a crack addict? (only one of those)

A combination of the two. Like I said, she was raised in a near perfect enviorment and rejected everything she was raised up to be. Someone was there every step of the way to help her, and she rebelled against all sane reasoning. Really, whats to love about a creature of the pit? If a dog had bit its keepers hand that hard it would have been put down, but because she walks upright and can speak she continues to live.

My best friend at work has a niece that died of cancer at the age of 11. Why an innocent child dies while a dealer of death like my sister continues on is beyond me.

No wonder you cling so tightly to the church. If it works for you, then keep on doing what you're doing.

I have seen the gospel in action all throughout my youth. I grew up around great men who honored their priesthood, and I had the wherewithall to notice the difference between the culture I saw in and out of the church.

Apparently she was too self involved and disturbed.

There is no magic bullet that keeps our children safe. We can only do the best we can, and hope for the best... and even then, some of them are likely to cause us unmeasured grief. I know I caused my own parents unmeasured grief when I was young... I joined the Mormon church.

Ray and Ludwig,

I don't hate my sister for her apostacy, I hate her for being a crackwhore and bringing nothign but misery and death to those she comes in contact with.

Do you hate her for being a crack addict (lots of crack addicts in the world... do you hate them all?), or do you hate her for being your sister... and being a crack addict? (only one of those)

No wonder you cling so tightly to the church. If it works for you, then keep on doing what you're doing.

There is no magic bullet that keeps our children safe. We can only do the best we can, and hope for the best... and even then, some of them are likely to cause us unmeasured grief. I know I caused my own parents unmeasured grief when I was young... I joined the Mormon church.

My mothers tears will stand as a witness against her on her day of judgement,as well as the testimonies of her own children.

[_Gazelam]

Ray,

They are cast out. The place prepared is outside the kingdom. Kind of like out the door of your house.

Gaz

[_Ray A]

They are cast out. The place prepared is outside the kingdom. Kind of like out the door of your house.

You'd make a good Internet Mormon, Gaz.

[_Ray A]

My mothers tears will stand as a witness against her on her day of judgement,as well as the testimonies of her own children.

Gaz, you're a self-righteous PRICK.

[_Gazelam]

My mothers tears will stand as a witness against her on her day of judgement,as well as the testimonies of her own children.

Gaz, you're a self-righteous PRICK.

And your naïve to think I don't judge myself with the same eye I judge others. We can't whittle away at our faults if we don't judge ourselves and always seek to improve.

Its not about being self righteous. Its about striving for Camelot to succeed, and encouraging others to not let their passions destroy our dreams.
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[_Ray A]

Its not about being self righteous. Its about striving for Camelot to succeed, and encouraging others to not let their passions destroy our dreams.

Yeah, just like Joseph's passions destroyed Mormonism. And make followers like you think it's a-okay to have multiple wives to satisfiy your little member and your vain quest for authority "in the eternities", while you call your sister a "crackwhore".

At least she doesn't cover her life with justifications like, "an angel with a drawn sword told me to do it".

[_Gazelam]

Before you judge Joseph, lets compare him to the Biblical followers:

Polygamists in the Bible

[_Ray A]

Before you judge Joseph, lets compare him to the Biblical followers:

Polygamists in the Bible

You mean like Judah and his daughter-in-law?

15 When Judah saw her, he thought her to be an harlot; because she had covered her face.
16 And he turned unto her by the way, and said, Go to, I pray thee, let me come in unto thee; (for he knew not that she was his daughter in law.) And she said, What wilt thou give me, that thou mayest come in unto me?
17 And he said, I will send thee a kid from the flock. And she said, Wilt thou give me a pledge, till thou send it?
18 And he said, What pledge shall I give thee? And she said, Thy signet, and thy bracelets, and thy staff that is in thine hand. And he gave it her, and came in unto her, and she conceived by him.
19 And she arose, and went away, and laid by her vail from her, and put on the garments of her widowhood.
20 And Judah sent the kid by the hand of his friend the Adullamite, to receive his pledge from the woman’s hand: but he found her not.
21 Then he asked the men of that place, saying, Where is the harlot, that was openly by the way side? And they said, There was no harlot in this place.
22 And he returned to Judah, and said, I cannot find her; and also the men of the place said, that there was no harlot in this place.
23 And Judah said, Let her take it to her, lest we be shamed: behold, I sent this kid, and thou hast not found her.
24 ¶ And it came to pass about three months after, that it was told Judah, saying, Tamar thy daughter in law hath played the harlot; and also, behold, she is with child by whoredom. And Judah said, Bring her forth, and let her be burnt.
25 When she was brought forth, she sent to her father in law, saying, By the man, whose these are, am I with child: and she said, Discern, I pray thee, whose are these, the signet, and bracelets, and staff.
26 And Judah acknowledged them, and said, She hath been more righteous than I; because that I gave her not to Shelah my son. And he knew her again no more.

At least Judah had some integrity. Has Joseph ever confessed to blatant adultery, and stealing other men's wives? Has he ever confessed to going totally contrary to what the Book of Mormon teaches? Has he ever confessed to the fact that he was nothing but a wife-stealer, and a knave in morals?

Yet, you sustain this man, Gaz, while you call your sister a "crackwhore" who deserves hell.

To be consistent, you should also say that Joseph should "rot in hell".