Mormon, Porn, and Masturbation. (Easy now, Paul)

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Re: Mormon, Porn, and Masturbation. (Easy now, Paul)

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Paul Osborne wrote:The Book of Mormon and the Bible do not preach against masturbation. The natural man does not refer to a man with a hard penis. It refers to the man who tends to give into the selfish ways of the world.

Come on Gaz, get real.

Paul O

LOL!

That would make a great sig line, Paul! :lol:
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Brackite wrote:
There is absolutely No where within that Scriptural Passage that states, "Thou shalt not commit masturbation" From First Corinthians Chapter Two, Verses 11 through 14.


No, but it can be found elsewhere and clearly in the religious doctrine of the largest Christian denomination (The Roman Catholic Church) and in many Protestant groups as well.

The following is no defense of any religious dogma or doctrine.


Genesis 38:8-10 (King James Version)
8And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother.
9And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother.
10And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also. (emphasis mine)
Over the ages, most religious groups have condemned masturbation, claiming that it inhibits self-control and promotes sexual promiscuity.� Even today, traditional Catholic and orthodox Jewish doctrine says that masturbation constitutes a grave moral disorder. (emphasis mine)

The Catholic Church has been one of the most outspoken groups condemning masturbation.� Catholic teaching is that sexual activity is intended for conception, thus masturbation is an immoral sexual practice because it does not permit conception.� In addition, the Catholic Church teaches that masturbation breeds lust and selfishness, which takes one further from God.� To illustrate, on Dec 29th 1975 Pope Paul wrote this in his Persona Humana - Declaration on Certain Questions Concerning Sexual Ethics:
“...masturbation is an intrinsically and seriously disordered act...the deliberate use of the sexual faculty outside normal conjugal relations essentially contradicts the finality of the faculty. For it lacks the sexual relationship called for by the moral order, namely the relationship which realizes ‘the full sense of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love.’ All deliberate exercise of sexuality must be reserved to this regular relationship.”[1]
However the Church does teach that sexual intercourse outside of marriage is contrary to its purpose. The "conjugal act" aims at a deeply personal unity, a unity that, beyond union in one flesh, leads to forming one heart and soul"[5] since the marriage bond is to be a sign of the love between God and humanity.[6]
Among the sins gravely contrary to chastity are masturbation, fornication, pornography, homosexual practices[7] and artificial contraception.[8] Besides being considered a grave sin, the procurement or assistance in abortion can carry the penalty of excommunication.[9] (emphasis mine) Source

Religious doctrine/dogma is not recognized for being rational.

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JAK wrote:
Religious doctrine/dogma is not recognized for being rational.

JAK


Catholics have been wrong too, JAK. So? That doesn't mean the LDS church has to follow in their footsteps.
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.
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Paul Osborne wrote:Sadly, this isn't the case. I predict that a lawsuit will be levied against the church for the sad fate of some boy who suffers due to counsel from the church against the so-called evils of masturbation. The church will pay a heavy price.

Paul O


It's sad to say that churches have been teaching far more damaging doctrines than "masturbation=self-abuse" for centuries. They have so far escaped unscathed from any lawsuit. I find it hard to believe that this one contemptible teaching of the LDS church would be the one that puts an end to this trend.
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Jak,

Thank you for that.

I believe that Paul and Brack already know that they are in the wrong. For some reason they want to justify this behavior, and I will not speculate as to why. It is clearly viewed as wrong and a part of the law of chastity by every religious teacher I have ever heard, from any christian faith.

There is also this scripture that can be applied to the subject:
In Matthew 5:27-28, Yeshua of Nazareth (Jesus Christ) is reported as saying: "Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart."

Lust is without question tied to masturbation, and the scripture is easily reversed to include the woman.
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Paul Osborne wrote:The Book of Mormon and the Bible do not preach against masturbation. The natural man does not refer to a man with a hard penis. It refers to the man who tends to give into the selfish ways of the world.

Come on Gaz, get real.

Paul O



I can't address what the Book of Mormon preaches against but yes, the Bible preaches against masturbation. Don't you people ;-) study your scriptures?

Hint: Look up the references to "spilling seed".
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Gazelam wrote:There is also this scripture that can be applied to the subject:
In Matthew 5:27-28, Yeshua of Nazareth (Jesus Christ) is reported as saying: "Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart."

Lust is without question tied to masturbation, and the scripture is easily reversed to include the woman.


I have to give the victory on this one to Gaz. If you accept that feeling lust for a women is tantamount to adultery, then you're pretty much dead in the water when it comes to masturbation.
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Here you go, Paul. The message is really one of judging disobedience. But there it is.

Genesis 38

38:9 And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother.

38:10 And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also.
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Onan's "sin" was disobeying God in failing to procreate with his brother's wife, not masturbation.
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Jersey Girl wrote:Here you go, Paul. The message is really one of judging disobedience. But there it is.

Genesis 38

38:9 And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother.

38:10 And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also.



Hmm. So if a faithful LDS has a child who spills his seed instead of impregnating his sister-in-law, should his parents follow the example of yahweh?
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