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[Shulem]

This is what happens when you jump off Niagara Falls looking for Smith's narrow neck.

U dummy!



Yeah, the narrow neck has to be up here. Which way is north?

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

It is up in a link in one of Paul's posts above at Wed Aug 11, 2021 10:16 am.

It isn't an email; sorry; it is a post.

I just do not understand it. He argues for a narrow neck of land in Delaware or some place like that. The post is just drunken rambling. I don't think Joseph Smith had any clue about geography there. I think the narrow neck of land is the Niagara Peninsula but my argument continues to be that the Book of Mormon does not necessarily (it could however and I haven't ruled that out) represent real world geography.

Hey Doc. Any luck in interpreting Paul's drunken post about a narrow neck of land in Delaware? I've always seen the narrow neck as a day and half's journey across for Nephite. That is absolutely impossible for the Isthmus of Tehuantepec for which Sorenson argues. Swamps, rivers, alligators. Or the Panamanian Isthmus; swamps, rivers and death by malaria.

I actually agree with your earlier comment that the isthmus is in the Niagara area. I think it fits well with the place names Joseph Smith used in the area for the Book of Mormon. I also agree we can’t really place the ‘real’ narrow neck of land because it doesn’t exist outside of the source map Joseph Smith used to create the narrative. As far as Paul’s theory is concerned I disagree with it. It doesn’t logistically work, but then again I’m not sure how the Niagara area works with regard to sea travel, landing, and then population diffusion.

Ether 10:20: “And they built a great city by the narrow neck of land, by the place where the sea divides the land.”

I think that was probably Buffalo with regard to to source inspiration for the story. The narrow neck of land in between the two great lakes (seas), Ontario and Erie, meets the day or day and a half of travel. The Isthmus of Panama is something like a hundred miles of hard country to traverse. So I’m absolutely in your camp ref your observations.

- Doc

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Hey Doc. Any luck in interpreting Paul's drunken post about a narrow neck of land in Delaware? I've always seen the narrow neck as a day and half's journey across for Nephite. That is absolutely impossible for the Isthmus of Tehuantepec for which Sorenson argues. Swamps, rivers, alligators. Or the Panamanian Isthmus; swamps, rivers and death by malaria.

I actually agree with your earlier comment that the isthmus is in the Niagara area. I think it fits well with the place names Joseph Smith used in the area for the Book of Mormon. I also agree we can’t really place the ‘real’ narrow neck of land because it doesn’t exist outside of the source map Joseph Smith used to create the narrative. As far as Paul’s theory is concerned I disagree with it. It doesn’t logistically work, but then again I’m not sure how the Niagara area works with regard to sea travel, landing, and then population diffusion.

Ether 10:20: “And they built a great city by the narrow neck of land, by the place where the sea divides the land.”

I think that was probably Buffalo with regard to to source inspiration for the story. The narrow neck of land in between the two great lakes (seas), Ontario and Erie, meets the day or day and a half of travel. The Isthmus of Panama is something like a hundred miles of hard country to traverse. So I’m absolutely in your camp ref your observations.

- Doc

I do agree with your analysis. Joseph Smith never saw an ocean (until presumably when he went to Boston), so he was used to seeing the great seas of the Great Lakes. I'm trying to understand Paul's analysis about length and width but his explanation seems vacant. So, I'll move off of Paul's attempts. Nothing to see there, apparently. Nobody else seems to sign on. A small interest of mine. Too bad Paul's so hostile but it doesn't help with my characterizing his writing as drunken stumblings.

[Moksha]

Paul argues a compelling case for Joseph Smith using the Delmarva Penninsula as the setting for his writings. Makes more sense than pushing it down into Central America.

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Paul argues a compelling case for Joseph Smith using the Delmarva Penninsula as the setting for his writings. Makes more sense than pushing it down into Central America.

I'm sorry. I don't get it. Explain to me how it is compelling. And I don't think it is South America either.

[Shulem]

Ether 10:20: “And they built a great city by the narrow neck of land, by the place where the sea divides the land.”

I think that was probably Buffalo with regard to to source inspiration for the story.

- Doc

For your information, Buffalo wasn't much of a city back in Smith's day. Population in 1820 was 2,095 people and hadn't grown to any real appreciation until after the Book of Mormon was written.

So, you'll need to think of another "GREAT city" *BY* that narrow neck which inspired Smith's story. And do keep track of north, east, south, and west in order to keep your seas logical with the land. Be logical about it!

[Shulem]

Too bad Paul's so hostile but it doesn't help with my characterizing his writing as drunken stumblings.

Your character assassination of me won't work. It's cheap and a low blow.

You think you have the balls to go up against me in a debate? Open a thread and I will kick your sorry ass over this board until you can't spray your stink anymore.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Ether 10:20: “And they built a great city by the narrow neck of land, by the place where the sea divides the land.”

I think that was probably Buffalo with regard to to source inspiration for the story.

- Doc

For your information, Buffalo wasn't much of a city back in Smith's day. Population in 1820 was 2,095 people and hadn't grown to any real appreciation until after the Book of Mormon was written.

Sure, but it was just source material for his fantasy novel. Between Hamilton and Buffalo Smith could imagine a once thriving city, and since we don't have statistics re: Book of Mormon city populations it'd be hard to say what he envisioned.

[Moksha]

Paul argues a compelling case for Joseph Smith using the Delmarva Penninsula as the setting for his writings. Makes more sense than pushing it down into Central America.

I'm sorry. I don't get it. Explain to me how it is compelling. And I don't think it is South America either.

Land features were in the right place and distances were correct in terms of walking times. Surrounded by water and having the River Sidon. Given, it did not have a Krispy Kreme, but are we sure Dr. Peterson did not pencil that at a later date?

[Bought Yahoo]

Too bad Paul's so hostile but it doesn't help with my characterizing his writing as drunken stumblings.

Your character assassination of me won't work. It's cheap and a low blow.

You think you have the balls to go up against me in a debate? Open a thread and I will kick your sorry ass over this board until you can't spray your stink anymore.

I'm not here so much for debate. I just don't understand you.