The Bikini: Gentlemen, get out your tools.

[_bcspace]

Runtu is just covering for his inability to parse what I said. When you're ready to answer how I might have abdicated my responsibility, let me know.

I've already explained that to you.

I've already explained why your logic assumes sexual attraction does not exist.

No. Some people believe they can do what they want without having an effect.

No one here has said that.

Tacitly they have. What's done is done. It's too late to deny it. Whether they really believe that or were just looking for an opportunity to pile on me, who knows for sure? I tend to believe the former because it's consistent with other initial reactions.

[_just me]

Men and women should dress appropriate for the occasion. That is what sends the signal that you are pure awesome. Of course, appropriate dress and grooming standards are culturally driven. What is deemed appropriate for Americans will be different than, say, a tiny tribe where they have no access to modern technology.

When we dress and groom ourselves we do so to please ourselves, typically, and also to say something about ourselves to the people we come into contact with. I would guess that most people try to enhance their attractiveness when going out in public, at least.

Men and women are sexual beings. Men have been wired, through evolution, to find as many healthy females to stick their seed in as possible. Women have been wired to find the best male possible to mate with.

Men are naturally attracted to things that send signals of fertility and youth/health: the hip/waist/chest ratio, flushed cheeks, dark pink lips, long hair, etc.

This is the way men are made! There is nothing wrong with men. Men's sexuality needs to stop being villianized! It is damaging and NOT OKAY!

Women are beautiful, sensual creatures. It is part of our birthright as women. Denying women's sexuality is damaging and NOT OKAY!

Even after marriage it is important to keep up our attractiveness. Attraction is a critical component of a healthy marriage/coupling. Repressing and denying our sexual nature not only damages single people, it damages couples. Our sexual nature is not on a switch that you can turn off when you leave the house and turn back on when you get in the bedroom. It permeats all that we are and all that we do.

Oh, and I see a difference between finding someone attractive, being sexually attracted, and having a sexual fantasy about someone. Those are 3 different things.

[_Runtu]

Methinks many of you do have a problem since you're denying the existence of sexual attraction.

Repeating a lie doesn't make it true, bc.

And most of you are apparently unable to come to terms with what might or might not be inappropriate, instead choosing to divert attention from the real issues.

The real issue, it seems to me, is the inability of some people to control themselves when they see a girl in a bikini, so they demand that girls stop wearing bikinis in public.

Okay by me. You've answered some questions about yourselves and your condition that I wasn't originally seeking for.

And you've revealed a lot about your lack of integrity and honesty. Funny, I wasn't even asking questions about that.

[_bcspace]

The conclusion by most ex and anti Mormons here is that a girl in a bikini has not effect on anyone else and that a male or female can dress any way they want and not be responsible for any effect she might have on a man because such an effect does not exist.

I get it. It's contrary to all logic and the evidence, but this is exactly what one can expect here.

[_Buffalo]

Obviously you think being around women in bikinis is potentially problematic for you. I'm starting to think maybe you should stay away from women in bikinis.

Methinks many of you do have a problem since you're denying the existence of sexual attraction. And most of you are apparently unable to come to terms with what might or might not be inappropriate, instead choosing to divert attention from the real issues. Okay by me. You've answered some questions about yourselves and your condition that I wasn't originally seeking for.

bcspace, I guarantee that your leering is more off-putting to beautiful women than their attractiveness is off-putting to you.

[Guest]

Men and women should dress appropriate for the occasion. That is what sends the signal that you are pure awesome. Of course, appropriate dress and grooming standards are culturally driven. What is deemed appropriate for Americans will be different than, say, a tiny tribe where they have no access to modern technology.

When we dress and groom ourselves we do so to please ourselves, typically, and also to say something about ourselves to the people we come into contact with. I would guess that most people try to enhance their attractiveness when going out in public, at least.

Men and women are sexual beings. Men have been wired, through evolution, to find as many healthy females to stick their seed in as possible. Women have been wired to find the best male possible to mate with.

Men are naturally attracted to things that send signals of fertility and youth/health: the hip/waist/chest ratio, flushed cheeks, dark pink lips, long hair, etc.

This is the way men are made! There is nothing wrong with men. Men's sexuality needs to stop being villianized! It is damaging and NOT OKAY!

Women are beautiful, sensual creatures. It is part of our birthright as women. Denying women's sexuality is damaging and NOT OKAY!

Even after marriage it is important to keep up our attractiveness. Attraction is a critical component of a healthy marriage/coupling. Repressing and denying our sexual nature not only damages single people, it damages couples. Our sexual nature is not on a switch that you can turn off when you leave the house and turn back on when you get in the bedroom. It permeats all that we are and all that we do.

Oh, and I see a difference between finding someone attractive, being sexually attracted, and having a sexual fantasy about someone. Those are 3 different things.

Thank you just me. This is the FIRST cogent post (not complaining about the humorous ones) in response to the OP. And thank you for defending male sexuality, something that was even being attacked by other men in this thread.

[_Buffalo]

The conclusion by most ex and anti Mormons here is that a girl in a bikini has not effect on anyone else and that a male or female can dress any way they want and not be responsible for any effect she might have on a man because such an effect does not exist.

I get it. It's contrary to all logic and the evidence, but this is exactly what one can expect here.

No one forces you to think naughty thoughts. It sounds like you have self-control issues.

[_LDSToronto]

What is the "wrong" message?

Projecting oneself as an object.

I am an object of desire and you'd do well not to forget it.

H.

[_MrStakhanovite]

I am an object of desire and you'd do well not to forget it.

H.

Your time here in America has finally given you a proper ego.

[_Runtu]

I've already explained why your logic assumes sexual attraction does not exist.

And you were wrong. Sexual attraction exists within everyone. What we do with it is our responsibility.

Let me give you an analogy. All humans have a natural desire to eat, and I am hungry. I am at a buffet, and I have a real fondness for chocolate cupcakes. I'm watching my weight, so I tell myself I'm going to eat only healthy foods, such as the salads and steamed vegetables. But, I see a huge table spread with chocolate cupcakes. I can't control myself, and I eat all of them such that I get sick and vomit.

Is it the buffet providers responsibility? Should they have covered the cupcakes so that I wouldn't have been overcome with gluttonous desire?

Saying that I should have controlled myself and eaten responsibly is not suggesting that hunger doesn't exist.

But then you knew that.

Tacitly they have. What's done is done. It's too late to deny it. Whether they really believe that or were just looking for an opportunity to pile on me, who knows for sure? I tend to believe the former because it's consistent with other initial reactions.

I don't think people are piling on you, but I do know that you have misrepresented everything I've said. I'm disappointed, and a little surprised. I guess I had forgotten about that part of you.