The "Final Solution"?

[_Stormy Waters]

Also remember that damning information was intentionally withheld. If I had been told the whole truth up front, then I might agree with your statement.

To which damning information do you refer?

This

This is also the presentation that he gave. He was a CES institute director and he explains it pretty well.

[_Yoda]

Also remember that damning information was intentionally withheld. If I had been told the whole truth up front, then I might agree with your statement.

To which damning information do you refer?

I believe that Stormy Waters is referring to a lot of the Church history that has been misrepresented or "buried" rather than taught outright.

The fact that Joseph Smith married other men's wives was something that was unknown to me until several years ago, and I have spent over 40 years as a member of the Church. That is but one example.

[_Jersey Girl]

Also remember that damning information was intentionally withheld. If I had been told the whole truth up front, then I might agree with your statement.

To which damning information do you refer?

This

This is also the presentation that he gave. He was a CES institute director and he explains it pretty well.

Come on, Stormy. Even Packham admits the following:

Here is a summary of important facts about the Mormon church, its doctrine, and its history that the missionaries will probably not tell you. We are not suggesting that they are intentionally deceiving you --most of the young Mormons serving missions for the church are not well educated in the history of the church or in modern critical studies of the church. They probably do not know all the facts themselves. They have been trained, however, to give investigators "milk before meat," that is, to postpone revealing anything at all that might make an investigator hesitant, even if it is true. But you should be aware of these facts before you commit yourself.

[_Yoda]

They've done real harm to real people and I'll be damned If I stay silent.

Are you seriously going to claim your motivation is benevolence?

Why wouldn't it be a valid motivation?

[_Stormy Waters]

Are you seriously going to claim your motivation is benevolence?

This religion has screwed up my marriage and damaged family relations, so can I claim that I always motivated by righteous indignation? Sure can't. But I do try not to harbor resentment because it is not healthy. All I am saying is that this church deserves serious criticism and has done actual damage to innocent people.

[_MCB]

All I am saying is that this church deserves serious criticism and has done actual damage to innocent people.

I agree wholeheartedly at that. However, you do need to work that anger out. An excessively emotional response to whatever happened will interfere with your criticism. You belong here.

[_Stormy Waters]

Also remember that damning information was intentionally withheld. If I had been told the whole truth up front, then I might agree with your statement.

To which damning information do you refer?

This

This is also the presentation that he gave. He was a CES institute director and he explains it pretty well.

Come on, Stormy. Even Packham admits the following:

Here is a summary of important facts about the Mormon church, its doctrine, and its history that the missionaries will probably not tell you. We are not suggesting that they are intentionally deceiving you --most of the young Mormons serving missions for the church are not well educated in the history of the church or in modern critical studies of the church. They probably do not know all the facts themselves. They have been trained, however, to give investigators "milk before meat," that is, to postpone revealing anything at all that might make an investigator hesitant, even if it is true. But you should be aware of these facts before you commit yourself.

You might want to try reading that again. He is saying that the MISSIONARIES are not intentionally deceiving you, and I completely agree, they certainly are not. The missionaries are taught to teach this way. But from the church standpoint, it's like selling a car, and not telling the buyer that certain parts are broken. The LDS has perverted the "Milk before meat" teaching from the Bible and used it as an excuse to lie.

[_Hoops]

Are you seriously going to claim your motivation is benevolence?

This religion has screwed up my marriage and damaged family relations, so can I claim that I always motivated by righteous indignation? Sure can't. But I do try not to harbor resentment because it is not healthy. All I am saying is that this church deserves serious criticism and has done actual damage to innocent people.

None of us can say our motivations are always pure. And I'm truly sorry for your misfortune.

Every church, any church, any institution deserves criticism (except mine, of course. Mainly because I'm in it). But incumbent on you when you criticise any institution is to fairly represent it. If you are doing that, then good. I don't know enough about Mormonism to always know when it's being treated fairly.

[_Yoda]

Are you seriously going to claim your motivation is benevolence?

This religion has screwed up my marriage and damaged family relations, so can I claim that I always motivated by righteous indignation? Sure can't. But I do try not to harbor resentment because it is not healthy. All I am saying is that this church deserves serious criticism and has done actual damage to innocent people.

I am so sorry about your marriage, Stormy Waters. :(

Were you guys able to work things out?

[_harmony]

This

This is also the presentation that he gave. He was a CES institute director and he explains it pretty well.

You couldn't find anything on LDS.org to support your statement? Good grief, there's tons of stuff there. You don't have to use adament ex-Mormons to
illustrate your point, and it weakens your point to use them.