Peterson, Hamblin, Schryver Online Antics: Request for Help

[_harmony]

Nice to have you back Will.

[_Darth J]

Back to Morley's comment on the OP:

Ludd. You don't know why the unknown person is asking for this or why they don't look for it themselves or really who the subjects are or what issues are involved but you need the information ASAP and it needs to meet these parameters. Is that a good summary?

But this person does know enough to have determined that the c##t thing isn't true, the "champion bitch" thing is a forgery by the moderators, and there are precisely three examples of Schryver's being misogynist, none of which count.

And just so we're clear: pointing out William Schryver's online antics may somehow affect the decisions of a major university regarding editorial positions for one of its published journals. A university to which William Schryver has no connection. Are Morley and I getting the scenario right?

[_Kishkumen]

And just so we're clear: pointing out William Schryver's online antics may somehow affect the decisions of a major university regarding editorial positions for one of its published journals. A university to which William Schryver has no connection. Are Morley and I getting the scenario right?

The whole scenario has a certain Schryverian odor about it.

[Guest]

Precisely. Why on earth would someone be coming here to change our minds about someone as irrelevant as William Schryver? The guy is a proven liar and an asshole. What reputation therein is worth trying to save?

Well, for someone who is "irrelevant" he certainly gets a lot of attention around here. And why is that? Because Dan and FAIR continue to give him legitimacy despite his antics, which still amazes me. They richly deserve all the criticisms lobbed their way for their continued support of indefensible behavior.

I don't know Garbo in real life, but I highly doubt she is Will.

Ludd, on the other hand, is another matter.

[_Kishkumen]

Well for someone who is "irrelevant" he certainly gets a lot of attention around here And why is that? Because Dan and FAIR continue to give him legitimacy despite his antics, which still amazes me. They richly deserve all the criticisms lobbed their way for their continued support of indefensible behavior.

I don't know Garbo in real life but I highly doubt she is Will.

Ludd on the other hand is another matter.

Frankly, I think the whole lot of them are increasingly irrelevant. I just listened to John Dehlin's podcast with Terryl Givens. Now, there is a person who strikes me as relevant. He has published more of substance and academic merit on Mormonism than than that whole crew. If I were to view anyone as relevant, it would be Givens. The fact that we spend anytime on the FARMS and FAIR folk is simply an indication of our own irrelevance.

[_MsJack]

Garbo began posting here in fall of 2010, long before my misogyny thread. Even if she were a long-term sock puppet that William planned ahead on, I imagine he would have trotted her out long ago.

So no, I don't believe she is a sock.

Ludd, on the other hand, reeks of sock.

[_dblagent007]

Garbo, I recall that you were the one who originally said Will committed adultery while he was, I believe, a member of the bishopric. I also recall that you said he was released for it but did not incur any further punishment. Is that correct?

[_EAllusion]

Maybe it's also this sort of mind-reading that Garbo didn't like as well?

And no, that's not my position. My ideal for the board is when both "sides" are something like 50-50, as I do believe it was several years ago, and this board was almost addictive and far more interesting, until Democrat bad Mormons started exiting, one by one, and now it's virtually an echo-chamber. I'll be back later to read the slams.

You concurred that some sort of gang-beating occurred here, which you found wrong. Since all that occurred was multiple people chiming in to disagree - politely - the implication is here is the ratio of agreement to disagreement is something you take affront to.

[_Cicero]

Well for someone who is "irrelevant" he certainly gets a lot of attention around here And why is that? Because Dan and FAIR continue to give him legitimacy despite his antics, which still amazes me. They richly deserve all the criticisms lobbed their way for their continued support of indefensible behavior.

I don't know Garbo in real life but I highly doubt she is Will.

Ludd on the other hand is another matter.

Frankly, I think the whole lot of them are increasingly irrelevant. I just listened to John Dehlin's podcast with Terryl Givens. Now, there is a person who strikes me as relevant. He has published more of substance and academic merit on Mormonism than than that whole crew. If I were to view anyone as relevant, it would be Givens. The fact that we spend anytime on the FARMS and FAIR folk is simply an indication of our own irrelevance.

I agree 100% about Givens. The old guard FARMS and FAIR types do appear to be fading now, although they certainly are not going down quietly (shocking I know). I do take some comfort in the fact that a lot of younger scholars want nothing to do with them (e.g., the post you linked to here from the Faith-Promoting Rumor blog). The old guard at FARMS had far too many sycophants when I was at BYU in the late 90s.

FAIR is clearly still in DCP's camp. They're letting him have the last word at their next conference. He'll be speaking on "'Mormon Studies' and Apologetics." Hmm, I wonder what he is going to talk about?

I also wonder why folks like Chris and Don still attend and present at FAIR conferences.

[_Darth J]

Precisely. Why on earth would someone be coming here to change our minds about someone as irrelevant as William Schryver? The guy is a proven liar and an asshole. What reputation therein is worth trying to save?

Well, for someone who is "irrelevant" he certainly gets a lot of attention around here. And why is that? Because Dan and FAIR continue to give him legitimacy despite his antics, which still amazes me. They richly deserve all the criticisms lobbed their way for their continued support of indefensible behavior.

I don't know Garbo in real life, but I highly doubt she is Will.

Ludd, on the other hand, is another matter.

Cicero, Schryver gets attention here for reasons similar to why you pay attention to Newman on Seinfeld. He's part of the story arc that creates comedy gold.

Two years ago, I prophesied that Schryver's KEP presentation at the FAIR conference would have approximately the same effect on the LDS Church as a rerun of Punky Brewster. I did not make that prediction because I take him or his crank theories seriously.

I also predicted that he would be totally apostate within two years. If it is true that he thinks someone other than Joseph Smith translated the Book of Mormon first, he is for all practical purposes an apostate. As I also said on the board a couple years ago, apostasy is a spectrum:

I---------------CM---------------H

I = Infidel

CM = Cafeteria Mormon

H = Heretic

An infidel, as the Latin root of the word suggests (fides), means simply "not faithful." You don't believe.

A cafeteria Mormon is apostate, although they do not realize it. They are at the midpoint of extremes in apostasy: picking and choosing what doctrines they are going to say they believe.

A person who is determined that cafeteria Mormonism is the "true" form of Mormonism is a militant cafeteria Mormon.

A heretic is someone who is at the other extreme, who thinks the Church isn't true enough, and thus starts inventing their own ordinances, receiving their own revelations about new doctrine, and so on. This would include the ward I was in in California, where certain members who had access to the building performed the prayer circle in the Relief Society room while wearing their temple clothes.