for what it's worth, my review of Greg Smith's "review" of Mormon Stories

[_Rollo Tomasi]

Hey Rollo, I posted it over at MAD. If you don't want it over there, just let me know.

No problem with me; I'm just very surprised the Mods allowed it.

[_Mayan Elephant]

cinepro,

instead of copying rollo's post and pasting over there. hit quote, and copy rollo's post with all the [] and [/]. it is impossible to really follow and read the post where you have pasted it, without the quote formatting. thanks, man.

[_Rollo Tomasi]

I don't know if they even saw it or read it. I think that it was all done on hearsay. But I can't be sure about this.

Perhaps they were just inspired that Smith's essay was a hack job and not worthy of publication by a BYU affiliate. Whatever the reason, they absolutely made the correct decision in killing the paper.

We need remember that MI had a mole that would report to scratch, if I am not mistaken. I think that the damage was done in that respect. It sort of went like this: the mole reports to scratch. Scratch puts up a stink on this board. This board activates itself and bombards MI with emails or even the church office building. Even Bill has said that his department has received hostile emails about Bill. The free thinking critics are not so free thinking.

Whoever is responsible, he/she did the Church and BYU a huge favor.

[_why me]

So true. And this is the reason why he is now defended on this forum.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but also places other than this forum ... such as GA's, BYU's president, and Gerald Bradford. By approving (tacit or otherwise) the purge of classic-FARMS from the MI, it is obvious whose side they are on.

Rollo, the critics or Mormon haters bombarded the church with hateful emails even though these people never read the piece in question. The hate that was spewed forth about Dan and others was intense. Sorry, Rollo but the Mormon haters and the critics behaved terribly and showed their lack of tolerance.

[_Kishkumen]

I definitely foresaw the possibility of a serious internal church review on official BYU/Church-related apologetic tactics....but I never envisioned DCP's dismissal. That exceeded my expectations, and I think had more to do with his reaction to the affair than my actions.

Word.

And one might add that Hamblin's recent woes are the direct result of his smears of Gerald Bradford in public.

[_cwald]

Great OP.

Thanks.

I hope the MormonThink guys will put this on their website. It needs a permanent house for reference to expose the mopoligists and MDDB Danites, as the "wolves in sheep clothing" and the insubordinate apostates that they are, and to demonstrate just how much damage they have, and continue to do to the LDS church.

[_Kishkumen]

Rollo, the critics or Mormon haters bombarded the church with hateful emails even though these people never read the piece in question.

What are your sources here, why me? How many emails? Do you have any quotes? Who in the COB has gone on the record to attest to the existence of this flood of emails?

Please share; I seriously want to know.

[_Rollo Tomasi]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but also places other than this forum ... such as GA's, BYU's president, and Gerald Bradford. By approving (tacit or otherwise) the purge of classic-FARMS from the MI, it is obvious whose side they are on.

Rollo, the critics or Mormon haters bombarded the church with hateful emails even though these people never read the piece in question. The hate that was spewed forth about Dan and others was intense. Sorry, Rollo but the Mormon haters and the critics behaved terribly and showed their lack of tolerance.

You have absolutely NO evidence that the Church was "bombarded by hateful emails" nor any evidence of "hate spewed" about DCP and others. Stop exaggerating and stick to the facts. Everyone here would "tolerate" a well-reasoned and researched scholarly paper -- Smith's essay was none of these things. It was libel, pure and simple.

[_sethpayne]

So again, of course I don't love being slandered, but I made a very conscious calculation to contact the GA's based on the motives and information. listed above, and I believe that I made the right calculation, based on the subsequent actions of the GA's, BYU, and the Maxwell Institute. I also think that I have been very, very consistent in opposing Mormon apologetic ad hominem. Maybe for 6-8 years?

John,

Thanks for the reply. Based on your added perspective and the quote Rollo cited, my original assertions appears incorrect.

No offense intended and I hope none was taken.

Seth

[_Harold Lee]

Rollo, the critics or Mormon haters bombarded the church with hateful emails even though these people never read the piece in question. The hate that was spewed forth about Dan and others was intense. Sorry, Rollo but the Mormon haters and the critics behaved terribly and showed their lack of tolerance.

Did they bombard the church with their hateful emails? Or did they bombard BYU, FAIR, and the like?

Just want to make sure we're still differentiating the church from the independent apologists. Because objecting to the apologists and their ridiculous writings is not anti-mormon as long as the Mormon church isn't affiliated with it and they don't speak on behalf of the church. If you're calling attacking the apologists anti-mormon you must be implying there's a connection. I don't doubt there is, it's just deceptive to say let on otherwise like the church does.

You get to read some of those emails firsthand?