Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver

[Guest]

You conveniently excluded Rollo Tomasi, the one who quoted the alleged offense, and who denied it ever happened.

You are a liar, MsJack.

Speak for yourself, Belinda Damon Hammer.

I did not mention Rollo Tomasi because he never "made hash" over the c-word issue. He came at the behest of others, he calmly posted what he saw a few times, and he left. His comments on the matter lasted five short posts.

He also left open the possibility that it was edited before he saw it, and he protested the attempts to call harmony a liar. Characterizing what he said as "denying it ever happened" is the lie and you know it.

So now you and William are back to your lies over the WilliamSchryver handle. Once more, with feeling.

This was the entire post made under the handle WilliamSchryver on March 23, 2009:

Harmony is just bitter that the daily circle jerks in the Great and Spacious Trailer Park™ are the closest she has come to a bona fide sexual experience in over 40 years.

I simply cannot understand how her husband has resisted the urge to off himself for so long. Of all the men in human history who have felt compelled, no matter the cost, to “stick it out” with a bitch of a wife – Joseph Smith included – if anyone deserves the reward of 72 virgins in heaven, it’s that poor man.

As for the rest of you, and your compulsive obsession with your former faith and those who defend it against people like you, and in the way of expressing my sincere gratitude for your recognition of my meager efforts in the cause, I can only say: I couldn’t have done it without all you special folks here in the GSTP.

Despite our occasional spats over the years, I knew all along that you really do like me.

[Sniffles, wipes a tear, tosses the plastic trophy in the overflowing dumpster, and after exiting the trailer park once again, takes the earliest opportunity to thoroughly wash his hands and dust his feet …]

In my thread, on May 6 2011, jon asked William:

Will, yes or no - did you say this:

''Harmony is just bitter that the daily circle jerks in the Great and Spacious Trailer Park™ are the closest she has come to a bona fide sexual experience in over 40 years.

I simply cannot understand how her husband has resisted the urge to off himself for so long. Of all the men in human history who have felt compelled, no matter the cost, to “stick it out” with a bitch of a wife – Joseph Smith included – if anyone deserves the reward of 72 virgins in heaven, it’s that poor man.''

To which William replied on the same day:

LOL!

Yes. Yes, I did write that. Of course, it’s divorced from its context, like everything else has been. In its original context, it’s abundantly clear that it is a tongue-in-cheek (albeit sharply barbed) remark. But, no matter. It’s funny even on its own. A bit rough and cutting? Oh, yes. It was meant to be.

So, there you go. When confronted with the words themselves and not a question about the handle, William wholeheartedly owned it.

I have nothing to say on William's distasteful comments about Brian Hauglid and David Bokovoy. You know how I never talked to or about William Schryver before this entire thing started? Well, I would really like to go back to not talking to or about William Schryver. If anyone knows a way that I could go about not talking to or about William Schryver, please help me out.

[_Kevin Graham]

I think it should not only be permitted by the mods, but it should be required that they out everyone who is doing it.

I disagree here. If the mods outed everyone posting from the same IP address, they might also unwittingly disclose the location of two posters who are not the same but happen to use the same library / ISP in the same area. Also, it's trivial for a sock puppet to use a proxy and create the illusion of coming from another computer. Thus we have plenty of room for false positives and false negatives. I don't see much value in it. Indeed, in some sense the most value is to be had in the current system because it invites complacency for foolish sock puppets who can easily be outed by anyone who cares to do so.

I agree with that. I'm not saying the mods should constantly be on the prowl, but when there are obvious conflicts and suspicions such as the numerous Schryver sock puppets, it is kinda silly to let it play itself out the way it does for so long, month after month and then year after year. All it does is encourage more of the same. Also, one can investigate IP addresses to determine if they derive from a library (in which case each computer would still have its own unique IP) or whether they are using a proxy server. Those using proxy servers on a discussion forum should raise red flags too. I'm not saying it should be against a rule to pretend being someone else, only that there is nothing wrong with a mod pointing it out for everyone else's benefit. If I come to a party at someone's home and wear different masks pretending to be different people, I see nothing wrong with the home owner pointing it out to those in attendance. This is standard protocol on every forum I have ever been on, so I don't see how denying the mods that privilege on this forum, somehow makes this forum better. In my opinion, it is the only thing I would change.

[_wenglund]

I can abide free-for-all banter and insults and even a smattering of vulgarities from all parties. But, when a mob coalesces and target's individuals for smearing and character assassinations, this becomes too sick for my blood--regardless who is being targeted.

I will do what I can to try and minimize the dog-pile and lynch-mentality for a time, but when it looks like the wave of hysteria is bent on crashing unmercifully over and over, then I want no part of it, and it is time for me to leave the disgusting spectacle of inhumanity behind.

So, after nearly 60 pages on just one of dozens of threads personally assaulting and abusing Will Scryver over the last several weeks, I have had enough, and will go and take a nice long shower hoping to wash away all the cancerous filth from this board--knowing full well that you all will view yourselves as innocent and the real victimized parties.

Who know if or when I will return.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[_MsJack]

I can abide free-for-all banter and insults and even a smattering of vulgarities from all parties. But, when a mob coalesces and target's individuals for smearing and character assassinations, this becomes too sick for my blood--regardless who is being targeted.

I will do what I can to try and minimize the dog-pile and lynch-mentality for a time, but when it looks like the wave of hysteria is bent on crashing unmercifully over and over, then I want no part of it, and it is time for me to leave the disgusting spectacle of inhumanity behind.

So, after nearly 60 pages on just one of dozens of threads personally assaulting and abusing Will Scryver over the last several weeks, I have had enough, and will go and take a nice long shower hoping to wash away all the cancerous filth from this board--knowing full well that you all will view yourselves as innocent and the real victimized parties.

Who know if or when I will return.

See you tomorrow!

[_Kishkumen]

See you tomorrow!

That Wade is one strange Mensch.

[_Simon Belmont]

I am interested by this news, though not overly concerned by it. Is this due to a loophole in the board software, or is it an inevitable feature of a message board of this kind?

Mods (and in particular Dr Shades) - were you aware of this?

Yet when I said the very same thing, you flipped. Why is that, Chap?

[_Chap]

I am interested by this news, though not overly concerned by it. Is this due to a loophole in the board software, or is it an inevitable feature of a message board of this kind?

Mods (and in particular Dr Shades) - were you aware of this?

Yet when I said the very same thing, you flipped. Why is that, Chap?

Belmont should just Google "Belmont+liar" and he will eventually find a thread in which I exhibited the twin statements from him to the effect that:

(a) he has all our IP addresses.

(b) he does not have all our IP addresses.

I thought that those two statements side by side told us something about the person that posted them.

[_Dr. Shades]

[MODERATOR NOTE: All posts involving God's misogyny in the Bible have been split into a different thread. You can find it at:

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[_moksha]

[MODERATOR NOTE: All posts involving God's misogyny in the Bible have been split into a different thread. You can find it at:

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Thanks Shades. I'm going to check out whether Will was just doing God's bidding with all those insults.

[_Simon Belmont]

Belmont should just Google "Belmont+liar" and he will eventually find a thread in which I exhibited the twin statements from him to the effect that:

(a) he has all our IP addresses.

(b) he does not have all our IP addresses.

I thought that those two statements side by side told us something about the person that posted them.

And here we see the ego of Chap, who has no doubt that he is perfect.

For when a typo is made, leaving out the word access, Chap, like the elephant, never forgets.

He uses this single typo as, what he views, a large stick with which to relentlessly beat the offender.

But his hate and anger will consume him, you see, as Chap ceases to be tender.

Like Atlas bearing the weight of the world, Chap bears the weight of his massive ego.

It will crush him.