The Many Faces of Ray A

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_DonBradley
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Daniel Peterson wrote:There undoubtedly was gossiping. It would have been odd if there had not been.

However, I can't recall ever initiating any conversation about Quinn's sexual orientation, and, to the best of my memory, don't believe that the subject came up, in my presence, more than half a dozen times over the course of probably more than half a dozen years.


Quinn's homosexuality was indeed long "an open secret." I first heard tell of it in early 1991, and understand that it was the reason Mike and his wife divorced around 1987, and that this reason was explained to Blake and Craig Ostler, and undoubtedly others, around the time of the divorce. (for what it's worth, Mike didn't leave his wife to pursue a homosexual lifestyle. As I understand it, she suggested that, as a gay man, he should leave their heterosexual relationship and pursue his deeper inclinations.)

Also, for whatever it's worth, although I knew of Michael Quinn's homosexuality while at BYU, and had conversations with Professor Peterson at that time about various controversial scholars and their motivations, I don't recall him bringing up Mike Quinn's homosexuality, and don't believe he did bring it up. (I don't believe we discussed it at all.) Furthermore, I've never had the impression that Prof. Peterson has anything against Mike Quinn. He disagreed openly, and politely, with Quinn over the definition of "magic"; but hasn't, in my admittedly faulty memory, made Quinn a particular 'target' of his criticism or wit. (Perhaps someone is confusing him with Bill Hamblin!)

Don
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Post by _Ray A »

DonBradley wrote:
Daniel Peterson wrote:There undoubtedly was gossiping. It would have been odd if there had not been.

However, I can't recall ever initiating any conversation about Quinn's sexual orientation, and, to the best of my memory, don't believe that the subject came up, in my presence, more than half a dozen times over the course of probably more than half a dozen years.


Quinn's homosexuality was indeed long "an open secret." I first heard tell of it in early 1991, and understand that it was the reason Mike and his wife divorced around 1987, and that this reason was explained to Blake and Craig Ostler, and undoubtedly others, around the time of the divorce. (for what it's worth, Mike didn't leave his wife to pursue a homosexual lifestyle. As I understand it, she suggested that, as a gay man, he should leave their heterosexual relationship and pursue his deeper inclinations.)

Also, for whatever it's worth, although I knew of Michael Quinn's homosexuality while at BYU, and had conversations with Professor Peterson at that time about various controversial scholars and their motivations, I don't recall him bringing up Mike Quinn's homosexuality, and don't believe he did bring it up. (I don't believe we discussed it at all.) Furthermore, I've never had the impression that Prof. Peterson has anything against Mike Quinn. He disagreed openly, and politely, with Quinn over the definition of "magic"; but hasn't, in my admittedly faulty memory, made Quinn a particular 'target' of his criticism or wit. (Perhaps someone is confusing him with Bill Hamblin!)

Don


Strange. No replies to this post. Oh I get it. An exmo says it's so, so it's SO!

Thank you Don, for your objectivity.
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Post by _Some Schmo »

Ray A wrote:
Some Schmo wrote:Or would that be stupid?


As stupid as your name SomeSmuck.


LMAO... That was the best you could do? Awesome, man.

***give me a sec... gotta stop chuckling... oh man... ok, think I'm done now...***

So... you admit that praying for an answer is stupid, huh? Well good for you. You're not a completely lost cause like I thought you were.
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Post by _Daniel Peterson »

Thank you, Don. I've been the target of a continuous campaign of falsehood regarding my alleged behavior toward Mike Quinn, and I haven't appreciated it. But I do appreciate your fairness on this and other matters.
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Post by _Some Schmo »

Ray A wrote:
DonBradley wrote:
Daniel Peterson wrote:There undoubtedly was gossiping. It would have been odd if there had not been.

However, I can't recall ever initiating any conversation about Quinn's sexual orientation, and, to the best of my memory, don't believe that the subject came up, in my presence, more than half a dozen times over the course of probably more than half a dozen years.


Quinn's homosexuality was indeed long "an open secret." I first heard tell of it in early 1991, and understand that it was the reason Mike and his wife divorced around 1987, and that this reason was explained to Blake and Craig Ostler, and undoubtedly others, around the time of the divorce. (for what it's worth, Mike didn't leave his wife to pursue a homosexual lifestyle. As I understand it, she suggested that, as a gay man, he should leave their heterosexual relationship and pursue his deeper inclinations.)

Also, for whatever it's worth, although I knew of Michael Quinn's homosexuality while at BYU, and had conversations with Professor Peterson at that time about various controversial scholars and their motivations, I don't recall him bringing up Mike Quinn's homosexuality, and don't believe he did bring it up. (I don't believe we discussed it at all.) Furthermore, I've never had the impression that Prof. Peterson has anything against Mike Quinn. He disagreed openly, and politely, with Quinn over the definition of "magic"; but hasn't, in my admittedly faulty memory, made Quinn a particular 'target' of his criticism or wit. (Perhaps someone is confusing him with Bill Hamblin!)

Don


Strange. No replies to this post. Oh I get it. An exmo says it's so, so it's SO!

Thank you Don, for your objectivity.


I don't believe any of this for a second.

Feel better Ray?
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Post by _Ray A »

Some Schmo wrote:I don't believe any of this for a second.

Feel better Ray?


Of course you don't believe it, because you don't want to believe it. But I trust Don's objectivity before your vile anti-Mormon "sentiments".
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Post by _Some Schmo »

Ray A wrote:
Some Schmo wrote:I don't believe any of this for a second.

Feel better Ray?


Of course you don't believe it, because you don't want to believe it. But I trust Don's objectivity before your vile anti-Mormon "sentiments".


Actually, the fact is that I don't know, and have no opinion either way. All I know about DCP is the way he's posted in response to what I and others have said. To me, he can be a total dick and dishonest right before our eyes. This whole Quinn thing is beyond my capacity to give a crap.

Guess what. I just don't care. I was only saying it to get you going, and shocker! It worked.

LOL
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Post by _Sam Harris »

Some Schmo wrote:Actually, the fact is that I don't know, and have no opinion either way. All I know about DCP is the way he's posted in response to what I and others have said. To me, he can be a total dick and dishonest right before our eyes. This whole Quinn thing is beyond my capacity to give a crap.

Guess what. I just don't care. I was only saying it to get you going, and shocker! It worked.

LOL


Haven't you noticed that it doesn't take much? It's like baiting a rottweiler....with no teeth, that is.
Each one has to find his peace from within. And peace to be real must be unaffected by outside circumstances. -Ghandi
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Post by _Ray A »

GIMR wrote:Haven't you noticed that it doesn't take much? It's like baiting a rottweiler....with no teeth, that is.


And guess who keeps taking the bait? You've been rolling and spinning with replies like a marlin on a trolling line.
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Post by _Sam Harris »

Ray A wrote:
GIMR wrote:Haven't you noticed that it doesn't take much? It's like baiting a rottweiler....with no teeth, that is.


And guess who keeps taking the bait? You've been rolling and spinning with replies like a marlin on a trolling line.


Ray, my little special person, we were talking about you. Please don't try to match my humor, you can't. :-)
Each one has to find his peace from within. And peace to be real must be unaffected by outside circumstances. -Ghandi
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