From My Informant: DCP & Schryver Ordered to Stand Down

[_Doctor Scratch]

The Shryver issue has no bearing on Peterson. My "informant" is not shady, in the back room nor looking for any excuse to commit character assassination .

Well, Jason, the origin of my "intel" is reported to be the General Authorities. So, if you think that the GAs count as some sort of "shady...back room...character assassins"...I don't know what to tell you. Certainly, I would think they'd stack up reasonably well against Dr. Peterson, who has a well-documented (25+ years) of "shady" behavior himself, including published character assassination. Lots of it, in fact.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Hello,

I would like to point out that the Mopologist geniuses who love to point out how dimwitted or stupid others are once again fail at basic reading comprehension and, most importantly, understanding their own doctrine. I said the following:

These people actually believe in a man-god that lives on a planet with his polygamous wives making babies. For eternity. And they believe they can become just like him.

There is nothing undoctrinal or crass in that statement. I said nothing about sex. I said nothing about having sex all day long. I simply stated, straightforward, what Mormons believe.

1) Mormons believe in a man-god. They believe their god has a glorified body. When their god and their Christ supposedly appeared to Mr. Smith they did so with their glorified celestial bodies. Their bodies look and feel like a man's body. See: Resurrected Christ.

2) Polygamy is an eternal Mormon doctrine. This is beyond refutation. A Mormon god must have multiple wives in order to attain eternal progression. If the genius Mr. Simon "Mphil" Belmont would take a moment to read, oh, I don't know, his own scriptures and the statements from, oh, I don't know, dozens of prophets and apostles on the matter (instead of sitting around and chewing his cud), he'd know my dimwitted and very, very stupid statement was, in fact, accurate.

3) The Mormon god lives on a planet with his wives. This is indisputable Mormon doctrine. They make babies. This is indisputable Mormon doctrine. To deny either one of these basic tenets of the Brighamite Mormon faith makes you an apostate.

4) Faithful Mormons, do indeed, believe they can become gods and goddesses who live on a planet, and make babies. This is such a fundamentally indisputable fact of Mormon doctrine that it boggles my 40-watt mind that a supposedly faithful member of the Brighamite sect would distance himself from it. I mean, I was only born and raised under the convenant, attended seminary with perfect attendance, served a mission, read thousands of books/articles/magazine on Mormon doctrine, attended the temple hundreds of times, and listened to a myriad of lectures from apostles and prophets over the course of my life. So, I can see why an expert like Mr. Simon "Mphil" Belmont would come to the conclusion that I don't have the faintest clue what I'm talking about! Let's take that 40-watt bulb and trade it in for a 10-watter!

V/R
Doctor Cameron "Don't know what the heck I'm talking about" NC for Me.

[_RockSlider]

I got very busy for a couple a months, did I miss a Wade England announcement of departure? He got so hyped up on William's KEP presentation last August and deep ended on all the encryption angle, did he just drop off the face of the MAD/MD Boards earth?

Poor MAD even before the DCP (and William/Wade?) departures the place has seemed to die, with the same topics remaining at the top for extended periods.

[_Paul Osborne]

I got very busy for a couple a months, did I miss a Wade England announcement of departure? He got so hyped up on William's KEP presentation last August and deep ended on all the encryption angle, did he just drop off the face of the MAD/MD Boards earth?

Poor MAD even before the DCP (and William/Wade?) departures the place has seemed to die, with the same topics remaining at the top for extended periods.

It's probably just a matter of ups and downs for Wade. Wade got pretty busy on the boards there for a while and probably just needs to back off for a while. Wade is kind of creepy but I find him to be genuine in his own sort of way. He is genuinely interested in pushing views that are never going to be accepted by anyone outside of the church. The Book of Abraham problems will not go away. But with that said, the church will likely find ways to distance itself from them using Nibley tricks and probably getting rid of the Facsimile's before too long.

One thing I've learned about the church is that it cannot be trusted to give a fair and full reporting. The LDS church is all about PR and putting on the best image to try and justify it's religious truth claims.

Paul O

[_Nomad]

Doctor Scratch-

Nomad also said that this particular "intel" was correct in the case of Will Schryver. He really was told to "stand down" by the GAs.

Not precisely true. All I said is that your intel was “more or less” true. I acknowledge that I was told that Schryver was strongly encouraged to refrain from wasting his time provoking apostates on message boards. In particular this one. I did not say who encouraged him to do this. That’s where the “more or less” part comes in. Of course, that’s the beauty of most of Scratch’s “secret intel”. He crafts it so that it can be twisted one way or the other to be “more or less” true, depending on how you look at it.

Scratch is the Rorschach artist to the apostates.

[_MCB]

The LDS church is all about PR and putting on the best image to try and justify it's religious truth claims.

Given the number of 19th century public domain works that are available on the internet, their past effort to purge public libraries only makes it more obvious.

[_sock puppet]

Doctor Scratch-

Nomad also said that this particular "intel" was correct in the case of Will Schryver. He really was told to "stand down" by the GAs.

Not precisely true. All I said is that your intel was “more or less” true. I acknowledge that I was told that Schryver was strongly encouraged to refrain from wasting his time provoking apostates on message boards. In particular this one. I did not say who encouraged him to do this. That’s where the “more or less” part comes in. Of course, that’s the beauty of most of Scratch’s “secret intel”. He crafts it so that it can be twisted one way or the other to be “more or less” true, depending on how you look at it.

Scratch is the Rorschach artist to the apostates.

It certainly is a waste of time for apologists who keep getting their butts kicked here with those thorny historical facts about Joseph Smith and Brigham Young.

[_RockSlider]

But with that said, the church will likely find ways to distance itself from them using Nibley tricks and probably getting rid of the Facsimile's before too long.

God forbid that the Facsimile's go, deep down in all of us here at MD, it just would not be the same we did not get our daily helping of Paul's king/black slave comments. Seriously, history in the making, we will one day say, "Remember Paul, that black slave and the king? A regular circle jerk"

[_TAO]

Hello,
I would like to point out that the Mopologist geniuses who love to point out how dimwitted or stupid others are once again fail at basic reading comprehension and, most importantly, understanding their own doctrine. I said the following:

And I would like to point out that your interpretation of it was very poor. You need to do a better job at it if you wish to call it accurate.

There is nothing undoctrinal or crass in that statement. I said nothing about sex. I said nothing about having sex all day long. I simply stated, straightforward, what Mormons believe.

Yes, I went back and reread that statement. You didn't say all-day-long. But you did fail to be accurate according to the interpretation. But let's look at the rest of your post first.

2) Polygamy is an eternal Mormon doctrine. This is beyond refutation. A Mormon god must have multiple wives in order to attain eternal progression.

No, this is incorrect. A person must understand the justice and reason behind polygamy. It is important to look at alternative meanings when you interpret what the prophets say so... fundamentalistly.

3) The Mormon god lives on a planet with his wives. This is indisputable Mormon doctrine. They make babies. This is indisputable Mormon doctrine. To deny either one of these basic tenets of the Brighamite Mormon faith makes you an apostate.

Again, one doesn't know that he does have more than one wife, so it's not a good idea to assume. He lives on a planet - yes, that is true. But having multiple wives - Brigham said he possibly could, but didn't necessarily have to.

4) Faithful Mormons, do indeed, believe they can become gods and goddesses who live on a planet, and make babies.

Nevertheless, you didn't mention goddesses in your statement. And 'make babies' gives it a negative connotation. The more correct connotation is 'to have children'. The new spirits are not thought of as 'babies', they are thought of as 'children'.

Now let's look at your statement.

[quote]These people actually believe in a man-god that lives on a planet with his polygamous wives making babies. For eternity. And they believe they can become just like him.[/quote

Your statement uses 'distance' words to try and alienate the people it is referring to. It implies that they are weird, and will always be weird, and their ideas will always be ridiculous. Furthermore, you call it a 'man-god' which is demeaning to him, and fails to mention that his wife is a Goddess. You include polygamous wives without any evidence thereof. Then you use making babies like it is 'a chore', which it is not. Finally, you leave out any mention of the happiness and glory they have, which gives an improper portrayal of how it is.

That's why I think your statement is inaccurate. Sorry if I'm a pain in the butt over it, but it IS inaccurate.

[_zeezrom]

It has been an extremely long time since I heard from this particular "informant." This individual (or set of individuals) has been one of the most reliable sources of provocative and interesting information pertaining to the behind-the-scenes activities of the Mopologists.

Dr. Scratch,

Might you be so kind as to help me find some informants of my own? I don't have a single one.