Jerkhood of the Year Nominations

[_sock puppet]

Your Church is fraud.

Sock,

That isn't a very nice thing to say about someone else's faith.

Nice or not, it applies. I did not say it about your faith, I said it about the organization.

I would like to think this was a major league boner that COJCOLDS pulled, but I have every reason to think this was business as usual. Think about it, Simon, to save money they are having members self-janitor the meeting houses, so that COJCOLDS can lavishly spend billions on the Jesus Mall in downtown SLC. Your religion has its priorities ass backwards.

[_Simon Belmont]

I would like to think this was a major league boner that COJCOLDS pulled, but I have every reason to think this was business as usual. Think about it, Simon, to save money they are having members self-janitor the meeting houses, so that COJCOLDS can lavishly spend billions on the Jesus Mall in downtown Salt Lake City. Your religion has its priorities ass backwards.

How much do you charge your clients? Is it income based, like LDS Family services?

Do you charge exorbitant fees, like many law firms do, even to those people who haven't the means to pay those fees?

[_sock puppet]

I would like to think this was a major league boner that COJCOLDS pulled, but I have every reason to think this was business as usual. Think about it, Simon, to save money they are having members self-janitor the meeting houses, so that COJCOLDS can lavishly spend billions on the Jesus Mall in downtown Salt Lake City. Your religion has its priorities ass backwards.

How much do you charge your clients? Is it income based, like LDS Family services?

Do you charge exorbitant fees, like many law firms do, even to those people who haven't the means to pay those fees?

Simon, do you want to become my client? If so, please contact my office tomorrow, and an engagement letter will be sent to you, and we can discuss your case and my fees.

Did I say I was Christian? Or that I do not pursue my occupation to make money with which to sustain my life?

Where you think you're going with your off topic line of inquiry misses the mark. Try again--but do it in a new thread. Don't derail.

[_sock puppet]

I would like to think this was a major league boner that COJCOLDS pulled, but I have every reason to think this was business as usual. Think about it, Simon, to save money they are having members self-janitor the meeting houses, so that COJCOLDS can lavishly spend billions on the Jesus Mall in downtown Salt Lake City. Your religion has its priorities ass backwards.

How much do you charge your clients? Is it income based, like LDS Family services?

Do you charge exorbitant fees, like many law firms do, even to those people who haven't the means to pay those fees?

By the way, Simon, I perform a substantial number of hours of pro bono work each month. Not that it's at all relevant, as I do not purport to be a charity, claim a tax-exemption, or claim to channel Jesus. That we'll leave to the Corporation of the President.

[_asbestosman]

Also, the Church teaches that many nonLDS will not burn and be present during the Millennial Reign of the Christ. Obviously, there are other ways to not get burned at the Second Coming.

Ah, you finally said something interesting. Good job. However, that's still essentially quibbling. Many non-LDS have not covenanted to pay tithing so of course God won't condemn them for it. If you covenant to pay tithing but do not do so, you'll be burned. Can a latter day saint fail to pay tithing without being proud or doing wickedly (breaking a covenant)? Come on. You're not that dense.

[_Gordon]

Ah, you finally said something interesting. Good job.

Well...gee...thanks, master...

However, that's still essentially quibbling. Many non-LDS have not covenanted to pay tithing so of course God won't condemn them for it. If you covenant to pay tithing but do not do so, you'll be burned.

D&C 76:78-79

"Wherefore, they are bodies terrestrial, and not bodies celestial, and differ in glory as the moon differs from the sun. These are they who are not valiant in the testimony of Jesus; wherefore, they obtain not the crown over the kingdom of our God."

"Because of the destruction of the wicked at the Savior’s Second Coming, only righteous people will live on the earth at the beginning of the Millennium. They will be those who have lived virtuous and honest lives. These people will inherit either the terrestrial or celestial kingdom." ("Chapter 45: The Millennium," Gospel Principles).

Can a latter day saint fail to pay tithing without being proud or doing wickedly (breaking a covenant)? Come on.

Yes. It's called a lack of faith. Clearly, as I have shown above, you can be a less valiant LDS by not keeping your covenant, and still inherit a terrestrial glory...and not burn.

You're not that dense.

No need to become a jerk.

[_Kishkumen]

Do I know the all the exact details? No. Neither do you. My statements, though, are based on the obvious, and the facts of the situation.

The devil is in the details. You cannot explain why it is that they went to a homeless shelter. You conclude that they really didn't need to, because you put things together in the least charitable way.

This doesn't take away from the fact that nothing egregious occurred here.

If you hold the Church to a minimal standard, then I suppose it looks no worse than what any corporation might do when acting within the law. I hold it to a higher standard, and I see no reason, other than their failure to live up to it, that I should not. The organization does bear the name of Jesus Christ. It ought to reflect his teachings, even in how it disposes of its property.

[_asbestosman]

Yes. It's called a lack of faith. Clearly, as I have shown above, you can be a less valiant LDS by not keeping your covenant, and still inherit a terrestrial glory...and not burn.

Then Romney was wrong (which is what I think since D&C 64 predates D&C 119 where tithing was given). Either that, or you could burn during the second coming but still obtain a terrestrial glory (why not--it's a loose interpretation like unto the ones you've been giving).

[_Gordon]

Then Romney was wrong (which is what I think since D&C 64 predates D&C 119 where tithing was given).

How so? Romney speaks of a blessing for those that pay tithing, not of a condemnation for those that don't.

Either that, or you could burn during the second coming but still obtain a terrestrial glory

I have shown this not to be the case.

(why not--it's a loose interpretation like unto the ones you've been giving).

Now you're just throwing a fit...

[_Gordon]

The devil is in the details.

Yet you're asking for them...

You cannot explain why it is that they went to a homeless shelter.

Yet you assume why they did...if, indeed, they went.

You conclude that they really didn't need to, because you put things together in the least charitable way.

I base it on facts. Charity has nothing to do with it.

If you hold the Church to a minimal standard, then I suppose it looks no worse than what any corporation might do when acting within the law.

My argument isn't what the Church did, but what didn't happen to the residents of the motel.

It ought to reflect his teachings, even in how it disposes of its property.

If they had given a Bible to each resident, would that make you feel better?