Guilt and Denial

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just me wrote:Well, according to one of the Ensign Q&A thingy's, people who feel guilt even after they have repented (and your bishop can tell you if you did it properly) it is because they have a low self-esteem.

So, why do so many LDS have low self-esteem?


Guilt is frowned upon in the LDS church. Remorse is the key word. If they still feel remorse after they have repented, it is not the church's fault.

http://LDS.org/general-conference/2001/ ... uery=guilt

In contrast to the hard words condemning sin, listen to the calming, healing words of mercy, which balance the harsher words of justice.
<< from the above article. Are you sure you know what the church teaches?

Read the link and get back to me. :=)
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Drifting wrote:The Church agrees that it is essential for the very poor to pay tithing.

No bishop, no missionary should ever hesitate or lack the faith to teach the law of tithing to the poor. The sentiment of “They can’t afford to” needs to be replaced with “They can’t afford not to.”

One of the first things a bishop must do to help the needy is ask them to pay their tithing. Like the widow, if a destitute family is faced with the decision of paying their tithing or eating, they should pay their tithing. The bishop can help them with their food and other basic needs until they become self reliant. Lynn. G. Robbins 1st Quorum of the Seventy


That is disgusting! It is neglect to let your children go hungry so you can do something else with your money. DISGUSTING!
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just me wrote:
That is disgusting! It is neglect to let your children go hungry so you can do something else with your money. DISGUSTING!


I have never seen a hungry Mormon. The LDS church comes to the aid of its members. Been there, done that during Reagan's recession.
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Just me, found it (from the other thread)

In October of 1998 Hurricane Mitch devastated many parts of Central America. President Gordon B. Hinckley was very concerned for the victims of this disaster, many of whom lost everything—food, clothing, and household goods. He visited the Saints in the cities of San Pedro Sula and Tegucigalpa, Honduras; and Managua, Nicaragua. And like the words of the loving prophet Elijah to a starving widow, this modern prophet’s message in each city was similar—to sacrifice and be obedient to the law of tithing.
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just me wrote:That is disgusting! It is neglect to let your children go hungry so you can do something else with your money. DISGUSTING!


From the July 2009 Ensign:

As I sat at the table pleading with the Lord for His help and mercy, the Holy Ghost opened to my view a beautiful and comforting manifestation of the Savior’s love. I was able to see the money owed for household expenses with a new perspective as the sacred priorities of life were brought to my remembrance. I knew that our Heavenly Father wanted me to have the blessings promised to those who faithfully paid tithes and offerings. I also knew that tithe paying should be a joyful act of love, devoid of fear and worry.

As the Spirit of the Lord filled me, I found myself bearing testimony of convictions I had long held firm and sacred. My voice broke the silence of the kitchen as I declared that I would rather lose the water source to my house than lose the living water offered by the Savior. I would rather have no food on our table than be without the Bread of Life. I would prefer to endure the darkness and discomfort of no electricity than to forfeit the Light of Christ in my life. I would rather abide with my children in a tent than relinquish my privilege of entering the house of the Lord.
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why me wrote:
just me wrote:
That is disgusting! It is neglect to let your children go hungry so you can do something else with your money. DISGUSTING!


I have never seen a hungry Mormon. The LDS church comes to the aid of its members. Been there, done that during Reagan's recession.


That's because you've never served a mission. Come to think of it, you rarely step foot in a chapel, so what would you know about it?
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why me wrote:I have never seen a hungry Mormon. The LDS church comes to the aid of its members. Been there, done that during Reagan's recession.


I have seen plenty of hungry Mormons. I've personally seen Mormon children die of malnutrition, dysentery, and preventable disease. Your limited experience is not all-encompassing.
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why me wrote:Guilt is frowned upon in the LDS church. Remorse is the key word. If they still feel remorse after they have repented, it is not the church's fault.

http://LDS.org/general-conference/2001/ ... uery=guilt

In contrast to the hard words condemning sin, listen to the calming, healing words of mercy, which balance the harsher words of justice.
<< from the above article. Are you sure you know what the church teaches?

Read the link and get back to me. :=)


You know, I've been ignoring you, but what the hell.

The church does not frown upon guilt, you don't know what the Screw you are talking about. Here is from a lesson manual. Lesson 9: Repentance and the Atonement of Jesus Christ(aaronic ph manual)

• How do people often feel when they have done something they should not have done or have not done something they know they should have done? (Guilty.)

• How can guilt feelings be bad? How can they be good?

Explain that many people today say that feelings of guilt are not good. However, Alma told his son Corianton something very important about guilt feelings. Have the young men read and mark Alma 42:29–30.

• Why did Alma tell Corianton to let his sins trouble him? (Feeling guilty should lead him to repent.)

• When should we have guilt feelings? (When we have done something wrong and need to repent.)

• What good should come from our guilt feelings? (We should recognize our sins and then repent of them.)

• Why did Alma caution Corianton not to excuse himself for his sins?

• How might we persuade ourselves to overlook or excuse our sins?



Guilt may be undesirable because it means you're a big sinner. No Mormon wants to be that! They want to be perfect, so of course they hate guilt. But, for some reason they feel more guilty than anyone else. For some reason they feel like crap. I don't know how we can explain it.

The church thinks that guilt is awesome and has a super special job in the repentance process.
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why me wrote:
I have never seen a hungry Mormon.

You need to travel more.
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just me wrote:
why me wrote:Guilt is frowned upon in the LDS church. Remorse is the key word. If they still feel remorse after they have repented, it is not the church's fault.

http://LDS.org/general-conference/2001/ ... uery=guilt

In contrast to the hard words condemning sin, listen to the calming, healing words of mercy, which balance the harsher words of justice.
<< from the above article. Are you sure you know what the church teaches?

Read the link and get back to me. :=)


You know, I've been ignoring you, but what the hell.

The church does not frown upon guilt, you don't know what the f*** you are talking about. Here is from a lesson manual. Lesson 9: Repentance and the Atonement of Jesus Christ(aaronic ph manual)

• How do people often feel when they have done something they should not have done or have not done something they know they should have done? (Guilty.)

• How can guilt feelings be bad? How can they be good?

Explain that many people today say that feelings of guilt are not good. However, Alma told his son Corianton something very important about guilt feelings. Have the young men read and mark Alma 42:29–30.

• Why did Alma tell Corianton to let his sins trouble him? (Feeling guilty should lead him to repent.)

• When should we have guilt feelings? (When we have done something wrong and need to repent.)

• What good should come from our guilt feelings? (We should recognize our sins and then repent of them.)

• Why did Alma caution Corianton not to excuse himself for his sins?

• How might we persuade ourselves to overlook or excuse our sins?



Guilt may be undesirable because it means you're a big sinner. No Mormon wants to be that! They want to be perfect, so of course they hate guilt. But, for some reason they feel more guilty than anyone else. For some reason they feel like s***. I don't know how we can explain it.

The church thinks that guilt is awesome and has a super special job in the repentance process.


I am now laughing at Why Me does that make me a bad person?
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