Ann Romney: "We've given all you people need to know."

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Re: Ann Romney: "We've given all you people need to know."

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EAllusion wrote:I'm not explaining why it is the case. I'm describing it.


And yet Romney actually got more votes than Huckabee among Religious Right voters in some places in the 2008 GOP Primaries. Go figure.

Maybe the description you offer isn't as solid as you think.
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Re: Ann Romney: "We've given all you people need to know."

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Kishkumen wrote:
So, I am not sure why we continue argument, since you are now talking in terms of a "negative aura," whereas I am talking about likeableness. I am happy to change over to the expression "negative aura," if that helps any.


I don't think this specific issue matters for that. It's really interchangeable with any number of other issues that will serve the same role if needed. You seem to think this specific issue, the tax returns, matters. I also don't think that has much of an impact in the grand scheme of things, though in a very close election every little bit helps.
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EAllusion wrote:In related news, politicians are awful people:

http://www.rollcall.com/news/nancy_pelo ... 283-1.html

I'm not sure exactly how that link shows politicians are awful people. I mean, I'm sympathetic to the idea that they are, but I've seen far better support than that article.
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Re: Ann Romney: "We've given all you people need to know."

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EAllusion wrote:I don't think this specific issue matters for that. It's really interchangeable with any number of other issues that will serve the same role if needed. You seem to think this specific issue, the tax returns, matters. I also don't think that has much of an impact in the grand scheme of things, though in a very close election every little bit helps.


"Seem" is the operative word, and I would add, "to you."

I can't see where I committed to the tax issue in particular as a big deal, but maybe I misremember.
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Re: Ann Romney: "We've given all you people need to know."

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Cylon wrote:
EAllusion wrote:In related news, politicians are awful people:

http://www.rollcall.com/news/nancy_pelo ... 283-1.html

I'm not sure exactly how that link shows politicians are awful people. I mean, I'm sympathetic to the idea that they are, but I've seen far better support than that article.

It's just an article pointing out the humorous hypocrisy of a particular politician.
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Re: Ann Romney: "We've given all you people need to know."

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EAllusion wrote:Kish -

Maybe it would help to look at the issue from a reverse example. You know how it is a standard tactic for Republicans to claim the Democratic candidate is the most liberal person eva and is basically Karl Marx in a modern suit? That line of attack is still used on Obama despite him being the most right-leaning Democratic president of the modern era. And that's saying something in a universe where Bill Clinton exists. In order to feed this attack, they always latch onto some issue to sell that narrative. The only question is what's it going to be.


You've made this claim before, and it is bogus. Obama is to the right of Carter and Clinton in some respects but not overall. You've been watering at Glenn Greenwald's trough too long.
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Milesius wrote:You've made this claim before, and it is bogus. Obama is to the right of Carter and Clinton in some respects but not overall. You've been watering at Glenn Greenwald's trough too long.

Obama is to the right of both Carter and Clinton. Especially Carter.
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Re: Ann Romney: "We've given all you people need to know."

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EAllusion wrote:
Milesius wrote:You've made this claim before, and it is bogus. Obama is to the right of Carter and Clinton in some respects but not overall. You've been watering at Glenn Greenwald's trough too long.

Obama is to the right of both Carter and Clinton. Especially Carter.
Obama just attempted to undo welfare reform. That's hardly an example of being to the right of Clinton. Clinton tacked to the right after the Democratic defeats in the 1994 election; Obama has tacked further left after 2010 (Keystone pipeline is an example).
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Re: Ann Romney: "We've given all you people need to know."

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These days it seems that anything coming close to sanity or reality appears to veer to the left. Why? Because the Right has gone off the map.
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Re: Ann Romney: "We've given all you people need to know."

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Kishkumen wrote:These days it seems that anything coming close to sanity or reality appears to veer to the left. Why?

Because the Right has gone off the map.

Does this mean that all there is left is left?
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