Bednar claims the church is growing and vibrant

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Re: Bednar claims the church is growing and vibrant

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Res Ipsa wrote:
Thu Oct 19, 2023 6:44 am
I Have Questions wrote:
Thu Oct 19, 2023 5:47 am
I thought it was pretty clear. I’m simply pointing you to the wider context (which you feel is important) that Bednar has form when it comes to talking disparagingly about people who don’t comply with his view of gender norms.
Wait. You’ve argued over and over that we shouldn’t look at the things Bednar said before and after the phrase you’ve isolated because it’s clear. Now you want to use your conclusory description of what Bednar said in some other context in the past as “context?”

Unless you consider blind people, dead people, autistic people and people who use wheelchairs as being something less than fully human, how can you say with a straight face that being committed to any or all of them is “disparaging.”

Ignoring the full text of Ballard’s answer while referring to text removed in time and space from the answer is, at best, blatant cherry picking.

Referring back to the analogy I presented, suppose we learned that the man in the ski mask had actually robbed a bank 20 years before. Why would that context be relevant to the complete video, which clearly shows there was no robbery?

If you’re not willing to consider anything in Bednar’s actual answer other than than the phrases you’ve isolated, then I’m not willing to consider something else Bednar said at a different time and in a different context.
I’m simply pandering to your context begging. You’ve yet to provide a convincing argument that Bednar didn’t mean exactly what he said - that same sex attraction is an equivalent physical limitation to say, being deaf, whereas opposite sex attraction isn’t.

It’s not my obligation to do that for you. If you’re failing to convince, well, that’s on you.
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What is “context begging?”
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Res Ipsa wrote:
Thu Oct 19, 2023 1:08 pm
What is “context begging?”
It’s how I’ve chosen to label your refusal to accept the specificity of Bednar’s explicit comparison of same sex attraction, in isolation to other types of sexual attraction, with physical disability.
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I Have Questions wrote:
Fri Oct 20, 2023 10:06 am
Res Ipsa wrote:
Thu Oct 19, 2023 1:08 pm
What is “context begging?”
It’s how I’ve chosen to label your refusal to accept the specificity of Bednar’s explicit comparison of same sex attraction, in isolation to other types of sexual attraction, with physical disability.
OK.
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When a Religion is good, I conceive that it will support itself; and when it cannot support itself, and God does not take care to support, so that its Professors are oblig’d to call for the help of the Civil Power, ’tis a Sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one.

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