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[MG 2.0]

Age old argument. God vs. God is dead.

Regards,
MG

Or more accurately, God v Never has been.

Why are you dead set against God? A personal God. One that is behind the meaning and purpose of the universe and the one that gave you breath. It takes a bit of hubris to throw God in the trash bin, doesn't it? Do you have the intellectual capacity to make that decision?

Regards,
MG

[Marcus]

Age old argument. God vs. God is dead.

Regards,
MG

Or more accurately, God v Never has been.

Yes. And insisting that people who don't share your particular beliefs have something wrong with them is just shifting the argument into illogical ad hominem.

Imagine if someone said to you:

"Why are you dead set against a flat earth? A flat earth you personally stand on? A flat earth that is the basis for understanding the meaning and purpose of the flat universe and the flatness that gives you gravity? It takes a bit of hubris to throw a flat earth in the circular trash file, doesn't it? Do you have the intellectual capacity to learn science and make the decision that the earth is NOT flat?"

[malkie]

Or more accurately, God v Never has been.

Why are you dead set against God? A personal God. One that is behind the meaning and purpose of the universe and the one that gave you breath. It takes a bit of hubris to throw God in the trash bin, doesn't it? Do you have the intellectual capacity to make that decision?

Regards,
MG

No hubris required.

You have not demonstrated the "God" you refer to. He/she/it is a purely hypothetical construct that, as you have told us before, you have chosen to believe in. Since even I have the "the intellectual capacity" to make a different choice from you, I'm certain that sock puppet has too.

Since your god is not in evidence, any attributes that you claim for him/her/it (e.g., "behind the meaning and purpose of the universe" and "gave you breath") are likewise not in evidence. There's no requirement to throw nothing in the trash bin - no need even to provide the bin.

Further, it's a bit of a stretch to suggest that someone is "dead set against" something they don't believe in. Are you dead set against purple unicorns, or are you happy to merely ignore any claims that they exist?

[MG 2.0]

Why are you dead set against God? A personal God. One that is behind the meaning and purpose of the universe and the one that gave you breath. It takes a bit of hubris to throw God in the trash bin, doesn't it? Do you have the intellectual capacity to make that decision?

Regards,
MG

No hubris required.

You have not demonstrated the "God" you refer to. He/she/it is a purely hypothetical construct that, as you have told us before, you have chosen to believe in. Since even I have the "the intellectual capacity" to make a different choice from you, I'm certain that sock puppet has too.

Since your god is not in evidence, any attributes that you claim for him/her/it (e.g., "behind the meaning and purpose of the universe" and "gave you breath") are likewise not in evidence. There's no requirement to throw nothing in the trash bin - no need even to provide the bin.

Further, it's a bit of a stretch to suggest that someone is "dead set against" something they don't believe in. Are you dead set against purple unicorns, or are you happy to merely ignore any claims that they exist?

When I am saying "intellectual capacity" it is not a slam against any one individual and their ability to 'think things through'. Marcus seemed to take it that way. I'm arguing that no one has the ability to 'out fox' God if He has intentionally set up a world in which the only way we can surely know Him is only through the way/means that He has prescribed. If we are considering ONLY intellect I don't think ANY of us can really make a firm determination on the existence of God. Thus, those people that think that their intellectual capacity will lead to a place where that 'tool' alone will get them to a place where they can know God is rather futile. And takes a certain degree of hubris. That doesn't make them a 'bad' person.

Regards,
MG

[Marcus]

Why are you dead set against God? A personal God. One that is behind the meaning and purpose of the universe and the one that gave you breath. It takes a bit of hubris to throw God in the trash bin, doesn't it? Do you have the intellectual capacity to make that decision?

Regards,
MG

No hubris required.

You have not demonstrated the "God" you refer to. He/she/it is a purely hypothetical construct that, as you have told us before, you have chosen to believe in. Since even I have the "the intellectual capacity" to make a different choice from you, I'm certain that sock puppet has too.

Since your god is not in evidence, any attributes that you claim for him/her/it (e.g., "behind the meaning and purpose of the universe" and "gave you breath") are likewise not in evidence. There's no requirement to throw nothing in the trash bin - no need even to provide the bin.

Further, it's a bit of a stretch to suggest that someone is "dead set against" something they don't believe in. Are you dead set against purple unicorns, or are you happy to merely ignore any claims that they exist?

The hubris of being dead set against purple unicorns!!

Seriously, though, well said, especially about attributes being irrelevant when the concept itself is not in evidence.

[Everybody Wang Chung]

I don't think ANY of us can really make a firm determination on the existence of God.

That’s some great missionary work, Fibber.

[MG 2.0]

I don't think ANY of us can really make a firm determination on the existence of God.

That’s some great missionary work.

I think that this being the case isn't a good reason to 'pack it all in' as you have apparently done. When I have talked with people, mission or not, that have had a witness of the Spirit...and when I have also...I consider that to be a tender mercy from God. But, as you would more than likely say, that is not 'evidence' of God. The missionary work that you do for pure skepticism and unbelief leads people to a dead end when it comes to understanding the purpose of our lives and our place in the cosmos. Mormonism gives us a deep theology for purpose and meaning. Also, a view, albeit as small as a goldfish trying to observe what is going on outside of the aquarium, of God and our relationship to Him.

That, I assume, is completely missing from your life. But I'm NOT saying that you miss it. It's just not there for you. It's intellectually unreachable.

That's some not so great missionary on your part, Wang. It's a dead end.

Regards,
MG

[Gadianton]

Why are you dead set against God? A personal God. One that is behind the meaning and purpose of the universe and the one that gave you breath. It takes a bit of hubris to throw God in the trash bin, doesn't it? Do you have the intellectual capacity to make that decision?

This contradicts your position on this thread and on the mudslide thread, where you argue that "mother nature," basically a label for "randomness," explains almost everything in the world.

What you're essentially saying is that God is the architect of the world in some really vague sense, but you're not going to specify exactly what. What do you mean by a God that gave Sock Puppet breath? Is that a metaphor? If God gave Sock Puppet breath, did he withhold breath from the billions of babies and children who have died, including by suffocation? If not, and he gave all of them breath, who cares, if he only gave these babies breath such that they face some violent death by other means.

When the Book of Mormon states that we should be grateful for the air we breathe -- why? That's like an authoritarian kind of gratitude. If God created us, and created us such that we will experience a horribly painful death should we not have access to air, and then he gives us access to air, why should we be thankful for that? Do you think your kids should be grateful to you because you feed them when you could simply withhold food from them and let them starve to death?

[Marcus]

...Mormonism gives us a deep theology for purpose and meaning...

That, I assume, is completely missing from your life. But I'm NOT saying that you miss it. It's just not there for you. It's intellectually unreachable...

Also the mental gymnast:

...And again, it's not my place to lay final judgement on anyone...

That's the fibber gymnast's missionary work at its best. At the very least, readers will have no interest in investigating a religion that seems to breed such contempt for 'non-members' of that religion.

[MG 2.0]

...Mormonism gives us a deep theology for purpose and meaning...

That, I assume, is completely missing from your life. But I'm NOT saying that you miss it. It's just not there for you. It's intellectually unreachable...

Also the mental gymnast:

...And again, it's not my place to lay final judgement on anyone...

That's the gymnast's missionary work at its best. At the very least, readers will have no interest in investigating a religion that seems to breed such contempt for 'non-members' of that religion.

There is no contempt, only your warped views/twisting of what others are actually saying. Interesting that you've gone back to your use of ellipses to change meaning and twist words. That seems to be a 'go to' for you when all else fails.

Regards,
MG