Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver

[_Chap]

By the way, since Daniel Peterson certainly reads this board, I wonder what he thinks about his friend's behavior?

[_beastie]

What a liar. Plain and simple.

As Ms. Jack has already quoted to show, I and others immediately responded back to Will reflecting his use of the word "bitch". If a mod had evilly changed "wench" to "bitch", Will would have objected right then and there. He didn't.

He must feel painted in a corner to descend to such transparent lies at this point. I would guess that some people are actually taking the time to READ his words, and realize that we haven't made false accusations.

I wonder if increased attention is being paid to Schryver's past antics out of the concern that maybe DCP's choice to back Schryver was one of the issues that eventually convinced his bosses that he wasn't the best man for the job anymore. I thought at the time that DCP was throwing his hat in the wrong ring, and was even somewhat surprised that he chose to back Will full throttle.

[_Drifting]

Does this thread constitute 'publication' for Will?

[_Kevin Graham]

How is it again that he can he deny calling Emma Smith a "Champion Bitch"?

He is saying that he just took it for granted that the apostates properly cited him, but upon reflection realized he never really said it. In other words, we were able to deceive even him about what he said. This should be an easy sell for him over on that other forum, where truth is more a nuisance than anything else.

This guy really has no integrity at all.

We should start a thread listing the number of lies this guy has told. I can think of a half dozen related to the Book of Abraham and his emails he has sent to me.

[_Chap]

Things are not entirely going Schryver's way over on the MADboard. Here are the two latest comments:

http://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/582 ... 1209140425

This is quite a striking claim.

Indeed it is so striking that I think one might well want to go and look at the posts in which William Schryver discussed the character of Emma Smith. And what other people said in reply. That should, I think, help one to come to a decision about whether his account is plausible. It would also enable one to see what else he said about the wife of the Prophet Joseph Smith. I notice that he has only suggested that one epithet out of those posts was not in fact written by him, but was forged by a moderator, so the rest is presumably as he wrote it.

The results of such an inspection of his writing might well condition the degree of credit one felt that his posts merited in future.

And:

That is beyond belief. Particularly in the context of your other writings. But nobody's perfect. I'm not.

Maybe this time he has gone too far, even for his TBM audience? But no doubt the mods will step in soon to clean everything up.

[_Bret Ripley]

Maybe this time he has gone too far, even for his TBM audience? But no doubt the mods will step in soon to clean everything up.

Good call, Chap. The posts you quoted are gone, and instead we are treated to this:

Obvious posters from mdb. I am getting sick of this and will start banning accounts if you continue to try to derail threads like this. I left Will's response because he chose to address it. If I see this again on the open forums expect your account to be shut down.

Another indication of the degree to which the MD&D mods have become parodies of themselves.

[_Chap]

Maybe this time he has gone too far, even for his TBM audience? But no doubt the mods will step in soon to clean everything up.

Good call, Chap. The posts you quoted are gone, and instead we are treated to this:

Obvious posters from mdb. I am getting sick of this and will start banning accounts if you continue to try to derail threads like this. I left Will's response because he chose to address it. If I see this again on the open forums expect your account to be shut down.

Another indication of the degree to which the MD&D mods have become parodies of themselves.

You couldn't make it up! People like Schryver can now only find a safe haven in the zoo park for endangered Mopologetic species that is the MADboard, since the loggers have moved in on their last wild forest habitat at the Maxwell Institute.

But someone still steps up to the line and posts:

I am not an obvious poster from mdb. But I have no problem leaving.

Will they ban him too?

[_DrW]

Deleted from the MADBoard:


 When you say "silly" and "embarassing" do you mean that you feel silly and embarrassed? Or do you mean that it is objectively and intrinsically silly and embarrassing? If the former, why is your internal sense of things better than, say, mine? If the latter, what is your objective standard of "silly" and what is your objective standard of "embarrassing"? Do you have a reasonable sample of example apologetics from NAMIRS that is silly and embarrassing?


When I say "embarrassing", I mean just that. Some of the material written and posted on the internet by Mormon Apologists is (or should be) embarrassing to them, their readers, and the Church they claim to represent.

You asked for examples. Here is but one of very many: On Friday Apr 01, 2011, at 5:05 pm MST, William Schryver posted the following on the Board that Shall Not be Named:

I stand corrected. I did not recall having said that (although I do recall having thought it on occasion).

So, I am guilty of calling Emma Smith a champion bitch.

Certainly a little harsh on my part. I sincerely apologize to Emma. Upon reflection, I would merely say she was an emotionally volatile, high-maintenance woman who would have been a royal pain in the ass to deal with as a wife, and I admire Joseph Smith all the more for having put up with her all those years.

Still waiting on the "whore" and "slut" evidence ..

Here we have a self-described soon to be published LDS Apologist characterizing the (first) wife of Joseph Smith Jr. as a “champion bitch”. It is embarrassing to say the least and certainly not representative of what most Mormons who know about apologetics would expect from those who engage in it.

[_Chap]

Was that posted just before the other deletions? I did not see it.

But the nice thing is that the moderators over there know what Schryver actually posted, since it is hard to delete a post without reading it ...

[_DrW]

Was that posted just before the other deletions? I did not see it.

It was up on CA Steinmsan's Thread earlier this evening (my time). More than that I do not know. I am in Oman with few Internet resources and have apparently been banned (at least temporarily) over at MDD.

But the nice thing is that the moderators over there know what Schryver actually posted, since it is hard to delete a post without reading it ...

Doesn't seem to prevent them from banning people who dare to post evidence of Schryver's misdeeds and less than honest behavior.