TBM's: Killer blow to the Book of Mormon?

[_BishopRic]

MG wrote:

For me, it's a rational decision...when all is said and done...to believe that God would deliver an artifact (something we can actually hold in our hands) in our day to testify that Jesus is the Savior/redeemer of mankind.

What is this artifact that you are referencing here? I would like to see it and hold it in my hands.

You have. It's called the Book of Mormon/Another Testament of Jesus Christ.

Regards,
MG

So if I wrote a "Book of Rick/another testament of the flying spaghetti Monster"...and you read it and felt good, does that make it true?

[_mentalgymnast]

MG wrote:

For me, it's a rational decision...when all is said and done...to believe that God would deliver an artifact (something we can actually hold in our hands) in our day to testify that Jesus is the Savior/redeemer of mankind.

What is this artifact that you are referencing here? I would like to see it and hold it in my hands.

You have. It's called the Book of Mormon/Another Testament of Jesus Christ.

Regards,
MG

So if I wrote a "Book of Rick/another testament of the flying spaghetti Monster"...and you read it and felt good, does that make it true?

Can't you think of something original other than the same ol' "flying spaghetti Monster" thingie? I remember back in the days of the mormon-l list there were those that used the same phrase. Where in the world did it originate for having been used over and over again? Kinda weird.

You write it. Then make the claims for what it is. We'll read it. Let's see if you can start a new religious institution/movement with the claims of "the one and only", and make it stick for millions of people.

Regards,
MG

[_mentalgymnast]

MG wrote:

For me, it's a rational decision...when all is said and done...to believe that God would deliver an artifact (something we can actually hold in our hands) in our day to testify that Jesus is the Savior/redeemer of mankind.

What is this artifact that you are referencing here? I would like to see it and hold it in my hands.

You have. It's called the Book of Mormon/Another Testament of Jesus Christ.

Regards,
MG

I'm holding a copy of The Return of the King in my hand right now. Is that a physical artifact demonstrating that Middle Earth was real?

Does it make that claim?

Regards,
MG

[_Moniker]

Can't you think of something original other than the same ol' "flying spaghetti Monster" thingie? I remember back in the days of the mormon-l list there were those that used the same phrase. Where in the world did it originate for having been used over and over again? Kinda weird.

You write it. Then make the claims for what it is. We'll read it. Let's see if you can start a new religious institution/movement with the claims of "the one and only", and make it stick for millions of people.

Regards,
MG

I created the shadow monster. My kids are true believers in this fiendish fellow. I suppose it may spread from there. Be on the lookout.

[_JAK]

I repeat, Charity, you are delusional. I would feel comfortable offering this line of argument as corroborating proof.

Go on waiting, and waiting, and waiting, and waiting . . . ..

People who don't know shouldn't use term they don't understand. A delusion is a "false belief." You have to be able to PROVE that my belief is false. You can't provide that proof. All you can offer up is your belief.

Entirely incorrect, charity.

If you, you claim something, it is YOU who has the burden of proof for the claim. No one else has any responsibility in the face of a claim unsupported by objective, verifiable evidence.

You make claims then attempt to shift the burden of proof to someone who challenges you for evidence for your claims.

If not “delusional,” you are irrational.

No one has any responsibility to prove your beliefs are false. It is YOU who have the responsibility to prove that they are sound.

You appear to present nothing other than your claims.

It's a deeply flawed position.

JAK

[_JAK]

My testimony is not based on a few 'good feelings'. Others say that that is how they got it. I find this borderline unfathomable. I have no frame of reference to relate to that.

Well then, what do you base it on?

Visions?

Voices in your head?

According to the LDS paradigm, it is mainly feelings that confirm these things to us. And we know feelings can easily be self-induced.

Exactly correct, dartagnan. “Feelings” are unreliable and can clearly be “self-induced.”

“Visions,” “Voices” as referenced by those alluding to religious mythologies are unreliable. Few if any Christians of any stripe hold the “feelings” of Islamic fundamentalists as reliable. And yet, those Islamic fundamentalists who are willing to die for their “visions” and their “beliefs” regard those visions and those beliefs as sacred and true.

JAK

[_charity]

There is nothing more "flimsy" than that offered by Mormons that a feeling proves historical truth.

I don't know of any Mormon that offers a "feeling" to prove a historical truth.

[_JAK]

So charity (she types attempting to yank the thread back on topic),

What would constitute a killer blow to the Book of Mormon for you? Can you think of any particular way that might come about?

I think she has answered your question, Jersey Girl. There is nothing. She thinks (if not states), I believe, I believe, I believe?

Blind faith or belief is blind. No rational considerations are relevant. No evidence is persuasive. An Islamic fundamentalist ready to die in a suicide attack on others cannot be persuaded that his suicide and the killing of innocent people is wrong, in vain, or without justification.

While I would be skeptical that charity would participate in anything like that, charity appears to be equally irrational and no evidence, no rational consideration, nothing could be a “killer blow” as you state.

JAK

[_BishopRic]

There is nothing more "flimsy" than that offered by Mormons that a feeling proves historical truth.

I don't know of any Mormon that offers a "feeling" to prove a historical truth.

Come to Salt Lake City sometime. I'll introduce you to a few.

[_BishopRic]

MG wrote:

For me, it's a rational decision...when all is said and done...to believe that God would deliver an artifact (something we can actually hold in our hands) in our day to testify that Jesus is the Savior/redeemer of mankind.

What is this artifact that you are referencing here? I would like to see it and hold it in my hands.

You have. It's called the Book of Mormon/Another Testament of Jesus Christ.

Regards,
MG

So if I wrote a "Book of Rick/another testament of the flying spaghetti Monster"...and you read it and felt good, does that make it true?

Can't you think of something original other than the same ol' "flying spaghetti Monster" thingie? I remember back in the days of the mormon-l list there were those that used the same phrase. Where in the world did it originate for having been used over and over again? Kinda weird.

You write it. Then make the claims for what it is. We'll read it. Let's see if you can start a new religious institution/movement with the claims of "the one and only", and make it stick for millions of people.

Regards,
MG

Been done. It's called Roman Catholicism...and a few more than 12 million have "stuck." Does that make it true?