What is insulting about the term? It’s the best way to describe what is happening with any of these supernatural claims. I don’t mean slight of hand, I mean suspension of reality, logic, a God-like power to accomplish anything without limits.
I don’t think a Christian would object to Zeus flinging lightning bolts around being described as magic, and they wouldn’t be insulting Zeus.
I know DCP hates people saying magic, but I think that’s because he feels uncomfortable with the plain truth that his religion invokes magical thinking.
drumdude, then why do you choose to use the term magic instead of some more traditional phrase such as divine power or act of God?
I suppose I might be put off by the word magic because I do not believe what you intend refer to,'I mean suspension of reality, logic, a God-like power to accomplish anything without limits."
I suppose to emphasize the point that God is doing something impossible. It’s one thing for God to do something that a person could do, or an advanced alien could do. But it’s another thing for God to do something that goes against the nature of the universe itself. In this case, it’s the problem of entropy, assuming Jesus was actually dead.
You would need a computer larger than the size of the Universe to be able to reconstruct a brain which has been dead for 3 days, due to the simple fact that entropy increases without intervention, and time only flows in one direction. You fight against entropy in very limited ways, such as heating a cup of water in a microwave. Reversing brain death is that times an incomprehensible order of magnitude. It would be akin to saying Jesus went back in time. That’s a magical, fanciful claim.
drumdude, then why do you choose to use the term magic instead of some more traditional phrase such as divine power or act of God?
I suppose I might be put off by the word magic because I do not believe what you intend refer to,'I mean suspension of reality, logic, a God-like power to accomplish anything without limits."
I suppose to emphasize the point that God is doing something impossible. It’s one thing for God to do something that a person could do, or an advanced alien could do. But it’s another thing for God to do something that goes against the nature of the universe itself. In this case, it’s the problem of entropy, assuming Jesus was actually dead.
You would need a computer larger than the size of the Universe to be able to reconstruct a brain which has been dead for 3 days, due to the simple fact that entropy increases without intervention, and time only flows in one direction. You fight against entropy in very limited ways, such as heating a cup of water in a microwave. Reversing brain death is that times an incomprehensible order of magnitude. It would be akin to saying Jesus went back in time. That’s a magical, fanciful claim.
Spot on. Entropy is the crux of the entire argument. If you want to reverse this please give an explanation other than supernatural.
I suppose to emphasize the point that God is doing something impossible. It’s one thing for God to do something that a person could do, or an advanced alien could do. But it’s another thing for God to do something that goes against the nature of the universe itself. In this case, it’s the problem of entropy, assuming Jesus was actually dead.
You would need a computer larger than the size of the Universe to be able to reconstruct a brain which has been dead for 3 days, due to the simple fact that entropy increases without intervention, and time only flows in one direction. You fight against entropy in very limited ways, such as heating a cup of water in a microwave. Reversing brain death is that times an incomprehensible order of magnitude. It would be akin to saying Jesus went back in time. That’s a magical, fanciful claim.
Spot on. Entropy is the crux of the entire argument. If you want to reverse this please give an explanation other than supernatural.
That’s why DCP believes the brain is just a hardware substrate for the software (the soul) to run on. We just haven’t found that particular frequency of the electromagnetic spectrum which downloaded Jesus’ soul back into his body from Kolob yet.
drumdude, I am not seeing how entropy has anything to do with the question. It would not cause a persons brain to be more difficult to put together after further deterioration. The brain could be completely dissolved and then done anew provided God knew the whole system completely to start with. The usual picture of God is that he does. God renews, he doesn't beat a dead horse back to life.
drumdude, I am not seeing how entropy has anything to do with the question. It would not cause a persons brain to be more difficult to put together after further deterioration. The brain could be completely dissolved and then done anew provided God knew the whole system completely to start with. The usual picture of God is that he does. God renews, he doesn't beat a dead horse back to life.
That’s magic, to me. It means God can do anything without limitation. It’s like moving 2 squares up in the air above the chess board to attack the queen with your pawn. You can say the words, but they don’t map to the rules of the game as we know them.
drumdude, I am not seeing how entropy has anything to do with the question. It would not cause a persons brain to be more difficult to put together after further deterioration. The brain could be completely dissolved and then done anew provided God knew the whole system completely to start with. The usual picture of God is that he does. God renews, he doesn't beat a dead horse back to life.
I don't need to be rude interfering with the conversation but why all the carnage to get this point across? If he indeed has the power to renew just say it. Don't give mere mortals all the science that points to brain death in less than 10 minutes. Why keep this nugget of information in a separate subset of mortal experiences? I get the fact a superior being could take the dna and somehow rejuvenate a body. However , look at all the conjectures being placed.
drumdude, I am not seeing how entropy has anything to do with the question. It would not cause a persons brain to be more difficult to put together after further deterioration. The brain could be completely dissolved and then done anew provided God knew the whole system completely to start with. The usual picture of God is that he does. God renews, he doesn't beat a dead horse back to life.
Why all the carnage to get this point across?
The cruelest “The Sims” player is nothing compared to God. You don’t see every animal being murdered every day. Having its organs ripped out by a predator. You don’t see the pain and suffering of every childhood cancer patient.
And this is mirrored in the gore on the cross. The passion of the Christ is a snuff film.
I dare you to find the most sadistic person on the planet and compare him to God. The man won’t come even close.
The cruelest “The Sims” player is nothing compared to God. You don’t see every animal being murdered every day. Having its organs ripped out by a predator. You don’t see the pain and suffering of every childhood cancer patient.
And this is mirrored in the gore on the cross. The passion of the Christ is a snuff film.
I dare you to find the most sadistic person on the planet and compare him to God. The man won’t come even close.
The recent Submarine implosion hit me to my core. God watched that apparently. I don't care how many pawns you put in front of that defense or how many gears you claim I don't have to understand it. It was cruel as hell.
The cruelest “The Sims” player is nothing compared to God. You don’t see every animal being murdered every day. Having its organs ripped out by a predator. You don’t see the pain and suffering of every childhood cancer patient.
And this is mirrored in the gore on the cross. The passion of the Christ is a snuff film.
I dare you to find the most sadistic person on the planet and compare him to God. The man won’t come even close.
The recent Submarine implosion hit me to my core. God watched that apparently. I don't care how many pawns you put in front of that defense or how many gears you claim I don't have to understand it. It was cruel as hell.
God could have saved them:
And it came to pass that when they were buried in the deep there was no water that could hurt them, their vessels being tight like unto a dish.
— Ether 6:7
And thus they were driven forth; and no monster of the sea could break them, neither whale that could mar them; and they did have light continually, whether it was above the water or under the water.
— Ether 6:10
