the road to hana wrote: According to Charity, there was a mini-Ouija board in that hat.
Either start using Shades poor imitations for smilies to indicate you are joking, or knock off the statements that so vilely misrepresent what I say.
Thanks.
:)
Charity, if you're going to dish it out, you're just going to have to take it.
Now, back to that Ouija board. Did you or did you not say that you thought Joseph Smith looked into the hat and "the words appeared to him?"
Of course I don't think that was a Ouija board, literally. But aren't you suggesting a similar principle, one that could be viewed by others as something the same as looking into a crystal ball, or using a Ouija board? Something like the sorting hat in Harry Potter movies?
Seer stone.
It is my opinion, backed by many others, that seer stones are genuine devices from God. The corruption of these sacred objects show up as crystal balls, etc. Satan always manufactures counterfeits to discredit the things of God.
DonBradley wrote:But to react to the KJV italics even some of the time, Joseph Smith would have needed to consult an actual King James Bible, unless you're going to argue that Joseph Smith had a memory so miraculous that he had memorized not only the text of King James Isaiah, but even its layout on the page.
Is that so, or do the italicized words tend to follow a pattern--at least the italicized words Joseph Smith changed? A long time ago as a young teenager I noticed that many of the italicized words were words that could be dropped and I would still understand the verse. Do the changed words in the Book of Mormon often follow a similar pattern? You may think it amazing if I tell you I can memorize a million numbers until I tell you that the numbers are not random, but are all multiples of 5. Are there any tricks like that which would decrease the effort needed for Joseph to memorize the differences? Just curious ans I don't actually think it was memorization. I just like to be fair where I can.
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It is my opinion, backed by many others, that seer stones are genuine devices from God. The corruption of these sacred objects show up as crystal balls, etc. Satan always manufactures counterfeits to discredit the things of God.
Who backs you up on this? No one I know of outside of some Mormons and the folk magic practitioners of uneducated frontier America believes that God gives people the gift to see things in stones.
It is my opinion, backed by many others, that seer stones are genuine devices from God. The corruption of these sacred objects show up as crystal balls, etc. Satan always manufactures counterfeits to discredit the things of God.
Who backs you up on this? No one I know of outside of some Mormons and the folk magic practitioners of uneducated frontier America believes that God gives people the gift to see things in stones.
The opinion of prophets and others who are spiritually learned means more to me than the opinion of those who reject all supernatural experiences out of hand. I suppose that is why I am a faithful LDS. And others have rejected the faith.
the road to hana wrote: According to Charity, there was a mini-Ouija board in that hat.
Either start using Shades poor imitations for smilies to indicate you are joking, or knock off the statements that so vilely misrepresent what I say.
Thanks.
:)
Charity, if you're going to dish it out, you're just going to have to take it.
Now, back to that Ouija board. Did you or did you not say that you thought Joseph Smith looked into the hat and "the words appeared to him?"
Of course I don't think that was a Ouija board, literally. But aren't you suggesting a similar principle, one that could be viewed by others as something the same as looking into a crystal ball, or using a Ouija board? Something like the sorting hat in Harry Potter movies?
Seer stone.
It is my opinion, backed by many others, that seer stones are genuine devices from God. The corruption of these sacred objects show up as crystal balls, etc. Satan always manufactures counterfeits to discredit the things of God.
Like I said. Ouija board in a hat.
The road is beautiful, treacherous, and full of twists and turns.
Charity, can you find current Prophetic or Apostolic teaching from LDS leaders confirming that God sometimes animates stones in some way so that people perceive visions or revelations through them? Could be I just wasn't paying attention, but I don't recall that ever being part of the official line.
Mormonism ceased being a compelling topic for me when I finally came to terms with its transformation from a personality cult into a combination of a real estate company, a SuperPac, and Westboro Baptist Church. - Kishkumen
the road to hana wrote: Like I said. Ouija board in a hat.
You obviously have had no experience with a Ouija board. I have. It isn't anything like a seer stone.
You have experience with a seer stone?
No, hana. A Ouija baord! The description of a seer stone, where words appear on a stone is ntohing like the operation of a Ouija board. You accuse me of being condescending, but this savs to me you don't know how a Ouija board works. So, in that case, I will explain.
A Ouija board has an alphabet and the words yes and no. There is something called a planchett. At least two people put their hands on the planchett and it moves of its own volition under their hands to letters to spell out words in response to questions. It can also move to the words yes or no so as not to have to spell them out.
Can you see how that is not the same as looking at a stone?