From My Informant: DCP & Schryver Ordered to Stand Down

[_Simon Belmont]

We are Mormon, too.

No, you aren't. You have forsaken your faith and rejected your God.

[_Spurven Ten Sing]

We are Mormon, too.

No, you aren't. You have forsaken your faith and rejected your God.

I'm sorry but we are. I am anyway.

[_Nomad]

To tell us the things we were taught were wrong or fundamentalist or non existent is really 'douchy'. Don't do it. It is rude and disrespectful and lately has been bothering me.

When apostates tell us what we believe (i.e. man-God with nipples and a penis who has sex all day with his harem of celestial brides), when they obviously have no idea is also really 'douchy.'

I can affirm that I have never once heard a talk or a lesson that talked about God having sex all day with his harem of celestial brides.

Besides, if in the eternal worlds there is no time and space is relative, then doesn't that mean that a celestialized man with more than one wife could actually be having sex with all of them simultaneously? Even taking them all to dinner and a movie beforehand, in different cities, on different planets, with different films and different menus and different wine lists, but all simultaneously?

Sounds satisfactory to me.

[_Nomad]

No, you aren't. You have forsaken your faith and rejected your God.

I'm sorry but we are. I am anyway.

You mean you are a Mormon who has forsaken your faith and rejected your God.

I get it now.

[_Simon Belmont]

I'm sorry but we are. I am anyway.

Excellent. I am happy to see that you've returned to full activity. I'll see you at Church on Sunday.

[_harmony]

I'm sorry but we are. I am anyway.

Excellent. I am happy to see that you've returned to full activity. I'll see you at Church on Sunday.

I was there on Sunday, Simon. I didn't see you. I was in the temple on Saturday. Did you look across the aisle and see me?

[_Spurven Ten Sing]

Simon and Nomad, who are either of you to comment on what another is or is not? Be nice.

[_Doctor Scratch]

Just that they met. And they did. Gordon reported that Oaks told him to "keep up the good work."

Well, he told me that too, when I met him at a stake conference. So what?

So, it means they met, and that my informant's "intel" was correct. If it hadn't been for this "intel," I doubt that any of us would have known that Oaks and Gordon "met." Plus, as I think I indicated, I'm not convinced that Gordon was telling the truth about their encounter. I know for a fact that GAs have come to speak to the FAIR people from time to time.

Why do you say that? Do you personally know Elder Oaks and/or President Monson?

Elder Oaks once spoke at a stake conference that I attended, many years ago. I met him briefly. We shook hands. He told me to keep up the good work in my priesthood calling. According to you, this is the same as saying "I had a meeting with Elder Oaks where he explained that he was forced to deliver bad news that the Church has asked that I stop doing what I am doing and 'tone it down'."

What are you talking about? The portion of my post that you've quoted here was merely in response to your denial that the "intel" had any merit. My point was that you couldn't possibly Elder Oaks's orders/motivations without knowing him personally.

Oh, so you have concrete evidence demonstrating that your assertions are correct? By all means, share them.

Do you?

I've shared some of the evidence--more than the apologists, I daresay.

If you do not, you should not post these rumor-mill threads from your "informants" which have (all but one) turned out to be completely, verifiably, utterly false.

Part of the reason I post them is in an effort to verify the claims. And not a single one of them has *ever* been "completely, verifiably, utterly" falsified. As I said earlier, it wouldn't be terribly difficult to falsify many of the allegations. And yet, the apologists never do that. Ever.

I don't know, Simon. Did the visit coincide with a lot of peculiar goings-on in the world of Mopologetics?

It is entirely possible. Why does it matter?

It matters because it supplies further evidence in favor of the allegations.

Sure I can. Just count the time that elapsed after Beastie posed the question directly to Gordon. I know for a fact that Gordon was online, looking at that thread for quite some time.

Oh, so he wasn't online reading other threads or doing anything else but staring at this one particular thread?

That was what I was led to believe, yes.

Look: I've maintained from the outset that these allegations should be treated with skepticism.

Then why even post them?

Because they're remarkably interesting, and posting them allows for the possibility of having them verified or falsified in some way. I mean, think about it: if the MI's budget was drastically slashed by the Brethren, wouldn't you want to know about it? That's a really interesting development, after all.

That would be like someone posting known untrue rumors about other people. What purpose does it serve? I mean, yeah, if you're correct to incorrect ratio were higher than 1/149 or .6% you might have a point.

I don't know where you're getting your figures, but I prefer to view this in a "glass half full" sort of way. In that vein, considering that not a single one of the claims has been falsified, my "informant" is batting 1.000.

That said, without any contradictory hard evidence from the Mopologists, I see no reason why the claims should be dismissed.

Without any evidence whatsoever that the claims are true, I don't see why they should be posted.

There has been a good deal of evidence. A lot of it has been circumstantial and/or based purely on "witness" testimony, but that doesn't change the fact that it is, indeed, evidence.

[_Tchild]

You mean you are a Mormon who has forsaken your faith and rejected your God.

I get it now.

What is with you self-righteous busy-bodies? Unless a person is bored stiff listening to the watered down pap dished out at sacrament meetings in an LDS church house, a person has "forsaken faith" and "rejected God"?

Worship, faith and God are bigger than your little pea brains Nomad and Simon.

[_harmony]

I mean, think about it: if the MI's budget was drastically slashed by the Brethren, wouldn't you want to know about it?

I'd be more interested in an infusion of cash to MI from the Brethren.