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Daniel Peterson wrote:
Polygamy-Porter wrote:Let be honest here Daniel, your employer would fire you if you ever defected from Mormonism as well as virtually losing all of your family and friends.

Nothing binds like family, and in your case, your employment is a granny knot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem


Care to answer my question?

Funny how quickly defenders scream persecution when asked about their ties to Mormonism, yet it is OK to persecute critics of LDS church like Grant Palmer and Simon Southernton. Cute.
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Polygamy-Porter wrote:Care to answer my question?

Did you ask a question? I saw no question marks.

What I did see, though, was a classic specimen of a circumstantial ad hominem argument -- the kind of thing that shows up regularly in handbooks of practical logical fallacies.

Polygamy-Porter wrote:Funny how quickly defenders scream persecution when asked about their ties to Mormonism, yet it is OK to persecute critics of LDS church like Grant Palmer and Simon Southernton. Cute.

I haven't "screamed persecution" and I haven't persecuted anybody.
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Daniel Peterson wrote:
Polygamy-Porter wrote:Care to answer my question?

Did you ask a question? I saw no question marks.

What I did see, though, was a classic specimen of a circumstantial ad hominem argument -- the kind of thing that shows up regularly in handbooks of practical logical fallacies.

Polygamy-Porter wrote:Funny how quickly defenders scream persecution when asked about their ties to Mormonism, yet it is OK to persecute critics of LDS church like Grant Palmer and Simon Southernton. Cute.

I haven't "screamed persecution" and I haven't persecuted anybody.

Fine.

Daniel, would your current employer fire you if you defected from the Mormon church?
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Polygamy-Porter wrote:Daniel, would your current employer fire you if you defected from the Mormon church?

Yes. But that doesn't mean that I'm a believing member of the Church and a visible defender of its claims solely or largely because of concern about my employment. It doesn't, in fact, demonstrate that that's any part of my motivation at all.

Presumably the FBI would arrest you if you sought to acquire a nuclear device and destroy the town next door. But, also presumably, the threat of arrest by the FBI isn't the only thing standing between you and your causing a thermonuclear holocaust in Nether Dogpatch.
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Polygamy-Porter wrote:... your employment is a granny knot.


This would be true for all BYU professors, so they won't lead their students astray. Dr. Peterson is a fully committed Mormon who has already found peace with all the arguments presented against Mormonism.

There is sort of an analog with civilian employees at the Pentagon. If they lose their security clearance they get canned. Can't have them divulging the location of the executive restrooms to the Ayatolah.
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Daniel Peterson wrote:
Polygamy-Porter wrote:Daniel, would your current employer fire you if you defected from the Mormon church?

Yes. But that doesn't mean that I'm a believing member of the Church and a visible defender of its claims solely or largely because of concern about my employment. It doesn't, in fact, demonstrate that that's any part of my motivation at all.

Presumably the FBI would arrest you if you sought to acquire a nuclear device and destroy the town next door. But, also presumably, the threat of arrest by the FBI isn't the only thing standing between you and your causing a thermonuclear holocaust in Nether Dogpatch.


Hello Mr. Peterwhatever,

Soooo...

Your primary value to the Mormon church is Middle Eastern Studies, or Apologetics?

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Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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Daniel Peterson wrote:
Polygamy-Porter wrote:Daniel, would your current employer fire you if you defected from the Mormon church?

Yes.

Thank you for clarifying.
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Would the FBI arrest you if it found you planting armed nuclear weapons under the Nether Dogpatch horse shoe pitch?

Yes or no?
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Daniel Peterson wrote:Would the FBI arrest you if it found you planting armed nuclear weapons under the Nether Dogpatch horse shoe pitch?

Yes or no?

Of course.

I find it odd that you draw such stark similarities between you defecting from Mormonism and being a nuclear terrorist.
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Polygamy-Porter wrote:Of course.

Thanks for clarifying.
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