Atheism: the antithesis of cynicism

[_Buffalo]

Why is that? Both Christians and Jews were slave-owning people. Eventually they gave it up, but not based on their religious principles.

Some owned slaves and some gave up slavery based on their religious principles.

Which religious principles are those? They're certainly no where to be found in the Bible. The Bible is pro-slavery from beginning to end.

of course there would. Pagans invented science.

Modern science arose in Christian Europe.

Buffalo isn't an intellectual, he just feigns being one on message boards.

The Greeks, using basic scientific principles, determined the shape of the earth long before the Christians were around, and while Hebrew prophets were certain through revelation that the earth resembled some sort of giant souvenir snow globe.

And after your humiliation regarding Deutero Isaiah, I wouldn't talk about faux intellectuals if I were you. Just saying.

[_Buffalo]

Do not pretend that you know what you are talking about because you do not.

Unable to form a coherent argument, again?

[_Hoops]

I never made any argument that depended on "command."

Of course you did. See below.

Nevertheless, I did show where god told his servants to make sex slaves of young girls.

If this is your position, then you are claiming God made this a command. Your own words betray you. I showed that He did no such thing. You're wrong again.

[_Buffalo]

I never made any argument that depended on "command."

Of course you did. See below.

Nevertheless, I did show where god told his servants to make sex slaves of young girls.

If this is your position, then you are claiming God made this a command. Your own words betray you. I showed that He did no such thing. You're wrong again.

Actually, you have yet to defend against the argument at all. It's your point of contention, not mine. Too bad you refuse to debate, and can only make unsupported assertions.

[_Some Schmo]

I have got to stop reading this board. It is unfairly influencing my esteem of theists. They're like little children throwing tantrums, or little monkeys throwing crap.

I suppose feet stomping and handwringing (and the occasional Latin expression thrown in to appear learned) is what passes for theological defense these days.

At least I get a good laugh when they try to pass themselves off as intellectuals, though. That's always good fun.

[_Chap]

I never made any argument that depended on "command."

Of course you did. See below.

Nevertheless, I did show where god told his servants to make sex slaves of young girls.

If this is your position, then you are claiming God made this a command. Your own words betray you. I showed that He did no such thing. You're wrong again.

What? Numbers 31:

31:14 And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle.
31:15 And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?
31:16 Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD.
31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
31:18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

Sounds like a pretty clear instruction to me. Or do you mean that Moses was not acting as God's mouthpiece on this particular occasion?

[_Quasimodo]

I have got to stop reading this board. It is unfairly influencing my esteem of theists. They're like little children throwing tantrums, or little monkeys throwing crap.

I suppose feet stomping and handwringing (and the occasional Latin expression thrown in to appear learned) is what passes for theological defense these days.

At least I get a good laugh when they try to pass themselves off as intellectuals, though. That's always good fun.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y

:).

[_Hoops]

One of my favorite python sketches. Well done, Quasi. I enjoyed it.

(I veered away to the parrot sketch while I was there. Later today I'll find the cheese shop sketch to finish my day.)

[_Hoops]

What? Numbers 31:

31:14 And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle.
31:15 And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?
31:16 Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD.
31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
31:18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

Sounds like a pretty clear instruction to me. Or do you mean that Moses was not acting as God's mouthpiece on this particular occasion?

Buffalo was arguing that God commanded slavery to Israel. He had only two possible translations that could have supported that. The other 8 of the most widely used showed different.

[_Buffalo]

What? Numbers 31:

31:14 And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle.
31:15 And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?
31:16 Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD.
31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
31:18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

Sounds like a pretty clear instruction to me. Or do you mean that Moses was not acting as God's mouthpiece on this particular occasion?

Buffalo was arguing that God commanded slavery to Israel. He had only two possible translations that could have supported that. The other 8 of the most widely used showed different.

First of all, you're the one who brought up the issue of slavery, trying to pin it on pagans. When I pointed that both Jews and Christians were slave owners, backed by their scripture, you tried to say that Christians abolished slavery due to their religious convictions but refused to say what religious convictions those might be, since the Bible condones slavery.

Hoops wrote:
The anti slavery movement began and was energized by Christians. Primarily in the U.S.

Buffalo wrote:
Yes, but in direct opposition to the Bible.

Hoops wrote:
Please provide evidence that the Bible proscribes slavery.

As you can see, the "proscribe" argument was yours, not mine. But I have shown that the Bible does proscribe it, because you asked, not because it was ever a part of my argument. You have yet to refute it (hint: "nuh uh!" doesn't count as a refutation).