RayAgostini wrote: The chances of Catholics divorcing over "religious issues" these days, are about the same as winning lotto.
We need to remember that I said arguing against the religion. For a devout catholic, who attends Mass regularly with the spouse to suddenly find themselves with an anticatholic spouse, I think that it would be a problem. And that spouse would be doing a lot of praying for the soul of the wayward spouse and if that spouse who turned away from the catholic church and began to post on anticatholic forums and railed against the faith at dinner etc....I don' see much hope for that marriage. But then again, divorce in catholicism is not that easy but in this case, they can perhaps get an annulment.
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liz3564 wrote:It isn't the fault of the faith, but I can understand why one would resent whatever faith that is, be it Catholicism or Mormonism, as a catalyst for the problems.
Perhaps I can understand it too. But is even the resentment misplaced? And of course, the wayward spouse usually attempts to lead the other away. We have seen this many times on this board. And if the spouse still wishes to believe? Problems come along.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
Ray wrote:People these days don't separate or divorce "because of religion", except in very rare cases. Religion just doesn't come into it. That's not to say that religion isn't a catalyst, particularly in religions that insist on literalism, which Catholicism doesn't.
Ray, wouldn't you say that Judaism is probably a closer comparison to Mormonism as far as religious differences placing a wedge in family relationships?
liz3564 wrote:It isn't the fault of the faith, but I can understand why one would resent whatever faith that is, be it Catholicism or Mormonism, as a catalyst for the problems.
Perhaps I can understand it too. But is even the resentment misplaced? And of course, the wayward spouse usually attempts to lead the other away. We have seen this many times on this board. And if the spouse still wishes to believe? Problems come along.
I don't think that the resentment is misplaced. The fact remains that if the religion which is the catalyst of problems did not exist, the major problem would not exist.
That is NOT to say that other problems in the marriage may be at the heart of the split-up. However, if differences in religion is, indeed, the main concern, then yes, the resentment is justified.
liz3564 wrote:Ray, wouldn't you say that Judaism is probably a closer comparison to Mormonism as far as religious differences placing a wedge in family relationships?
To the extent that your proposition is true, wouldn't you say that Judaism has an added element that would make such comparisons null? That's not to say that there would not be a wedge, rather, the catalyst for the wedge is not the same.
liz3564 wrote:Ray, wouldn't you say that Judaism is probably a closer comparison to Mormonism as far as religious differences placing a wedge in family relationships?
To the extent that your proposition is true, wouldn't you say that Judaism has an added element that would make such comparisons null? That's not to say that there would not be a wedge, rather, the catalyst for the wedge is not the same.
What element would that be?
I suppose I am referring to the fact that those who are active in the Jewish faith are insistent on marrying others of the Jewish faith. If someone marries outside the faith, they are often considered "dead" to the family.
I suppose I am referring to the fact that those who are active in the Jewish faith are insistent on marrying others of the Jewish faith. If someone marries outside the faith, they are often considered "dead" to the family.
Being Jewish is not just a faith, it's more than that, with a much longer history than Mormonism. Some say a race, it's my understanding that Jews will not make such a claim. Certainly, though, it's cultural is distinct enough that to pigeonhile being a Jew as just a religious claim runs a tad short.
Just some thoughts. I don't really know (which is why I asked).
I suppose I am referring to the fact that those who are active in the Jewish faith are insistent on marrying others of the Jewish faith. If someone marries outside the faith, they are often considered "dead" to the family.
Being Jewish is not just a faith, it's more than that, with a much longer history than Mormonism. Some say a race, it's my understanding that Jews will not make such a claim. Certainly, though, it's cultural is distinct enough that to pigeonhile being a Jew as just a religious claim runs a tad short.
Just some thoughts. I don't really know (which is why I asked).
Oh, I agree that the Jewish faith has a much longer history. I have always thought that the Mormon religion, in a lot of ways, has attempted to pattern itself after the Jewish faith.
liz3564 wrote: Ray, wouldn't you say that Judaism is probably a closer comparison to Mormonism as far as religious differences placing a wedge in family relationships?
Mormonism and Judaism are very much alike as far as "culture" is concerned. "Apostate Jews" (non-practising) have given the world a lot, in every field imaginable. But I think this is where the similarities end. So many "apostate Mormons" have little or no respect for the culture and religious tradition they come from. Look at this forum, for example - where 24/7/365 is spent crapping on Mormons.