Chap wrote:Nightlion and Tobin: the only people who truly understand the Restored Gospel in these latter days, while the whole of the rest of the Mormon church (in its various versions) is deaf and blind to God's promptings. I see these two as a bit like Joseph Smith and Brigham Young.
I suppose that despite all their emphasis on the Holy Spirit and personal revelation, the Salt Lake City people, the RLDS, and Warren Jeffs in his cell are just dialing a wrong number and never get to talk with the Big Guy at all. That's why they get so much wrong.
Chap, they get it wrong because prophets ask you to speak to God yourself. False prophets are always about do what they say and that is a clear sign they aren't sent by God. As the Bible teaches:
KJV Matt 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
It is patently absurd that a prophet of God would not appeal to God and ask you to do the same. Anyone that denies God can speak to us or that we should seek him out is a false prophet and should be avoided or ignored.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
Tobin wrote:Imagine intelligent life that evolved a few billion years ago. How advanced, transcendent and intelligent would they be compared to us? They would in every definition be God by most accounts.
I think that's the premise of the movie/comic book series Thor. It only works on primitive societies like the ancient Norse, though. If these superhuman aliens showed up today, it would be more like Superman.
Tobin wrote:In fact, it is most probable that God exists merely because of that fact.
I'm not sure what "fact" Tobin is referring to, but his posts are reading more and more like the arguments on this page.
86. PROOF BY ANECDOTE (1) God can be seen by those who believe in Him. (2) If the God is seen, then He must exist. (3) I have seen God. (4) Therefore, God exists.
It is better to be a warrior in a garden, than a gardener at war.
Some of us, on the other hand, actually prefer a religion that includes some type of correlation with reality. ~Bill Hamblin
SteelHead wrote: 86. PROOF BY ANECDOTE (1) God can be seen by those who believe in Him. (2) If the God is seen, then He must exist. (3) I have seen God. (4) Therefore, God exists.
PROOF YOU ARE A MORON (1) I was an atheist at the time. (2) See above.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
SteelHead wrote:Wow Tobin, that wasn't very nice. You feeling a little defensive today?
No, but it would be nice if you actually read what I said instead of jumping to conclusions.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
I wasn't going to respond to him. He is either Themis/thews sock puppet or as you stated. In either event, I thought the question was ludicrous given the number of times I have told him that he is either pretending or really is completely ignorant of what others have stated on this topic in their own written accounts. I gave him one last chance to say anything interesting and he responded with a thunderingly obtuse question. Have fun.
Chap is right that you appear more like Nightlion then anyone else on this board. I guess my question you cannot answer must really be pissing you off.
Tobin wrote:It is patently absurd that a prophet of God would not appeal to God and ask you to do the same. Anyone that denies God can speak to us or that we should seek him out is a false prophet and should be avoided or ignored.
Tobin wrote:It is patently absurd that a prophet of God would not appeal to God and ask you to do the same. Anyone that denies God can speak to us or that we should seek him out is a false prophet and should be avoided or ignored.
I guess Joseph forgot to do this with the papyri.
Yeah, Joe Smith was a liar. He made up the Explanations of Facismile No. 3 and he made up the Book of Mormon too. Just look at all the silly names therein he made up and stole from other sources.
Shulem wrote:Yeah, Joe Smith was a liar. He made up the Explanations of Facismile No. 3 and he made up the Book of Mormon too. Just look at all the silly names therein he made up and stole from other sources.
Gold plates, my ass!
Paul O
I like bringing up peoples inconsistencies like Tobin's(not that I can't have my own). I guess this has pissed him off since he can't deal with the issues and now tends to ignore me. YaY
