Falling out between Dehlin and Kate Kelly?

[_Rosebud]

Wait, to keep the record straight (because consistency is valuable), he did actually commit one punishable crime against me (not rape). But as a small part of the whole, that crime, while punishable by law, was not as terrible as the rest of it and I don't think the rest of it would go anywhere in the criminal justice system. Living through the trauma of what he did is a subjective thing: civil.

The statute of limitations on the crime has probably run out now, too.

Anyway, didn't want to bring that up, but I do want to be consistent. What I meant by, "It wasn't a crime," is that what the Open Stories Foundation did wasn't a crime. And, the crime was such a small part of the whole that it seems insignificant even though it would go further in court.

Sigh.

Okay, I have to go to a wake now. My daughter's best friend's boyfriend showed up missing on Mother's Day morning. There are many more important things than this drama. (But don't misinterpret that to mean that I won't be back here to place more pressure or create more records and that if I come back it's proof that I'm mentally ill (silly).)

[_Jersey Girl]

My god does this never end?

[_Meadowchik]

My god does this never end?

Do people breathe?
;)

[_RockSlider]

I was hoping for a 10am podcast ... :(

Don't see anything new

Rosebud, it's great to see the progress you have made. Thanks to Scratch for pulling the summary of what all these walls of text have been about all these years.

[_candygal]

They are having a field day over at MAD about this latest Dehlin kerfunkle.

Humorously and ironically Calm/Nemesis keeps threatening to ban people from the thread whenever they compare the Dehlin's lack of financial transparency with the LDS church's lack of financial transparency. Classy Calm moderation. She keeps saying she's going to report posters for being off topic. Who is she reporting to? She is the moderator there.

Calm and Juliann are turning into jokes over there. Their "we're not the mods here" charade is ridiculous and anyone can see how fast they gang up and ban posters, get things posted in red (right in their posts but claim it's the "mods" not them). Even other faithful posters are questioning why these 2 get immediate action from mods when no one else can get mods to respond or even get ahold of them.

That thread that Calm started on Dehlin breaks board rules and doesn't even belong where she's posted it (but flippantly dares anyone to report it to the mods who objects). Yeah, report it to HER

That thread is a shameful character attack and it would have been locked in seconds if it was against anyone else or was posted by someone who doesn't moderate and control the comments by banning anyone who disagrees with Calm and Juliann.

Out of all the boards I have checked out on this topic, wow..MD&D has run this the longest and with no closed thread as of yet. Had this been anyone else, I would fear for them. I have to smile only because everything said is something that Craig and I have said sittin' on the other side of the fence..go figure! Tacenda is still wondering what happened!

[_cwald]

So, this whole thing can basically be summarized as: Rosebud "hooked up" with Dehlin on one or more occasions, where they kissed, "engaged in heavy petting," etc., Rosebud started to fall for him, and then he pulled the rug out, thus triggering this "crusade" to rescue people from being "taken in" by him? Is that it, more or less?

I think so.

If Rosebud insist on throwing out accusations and it becomes a "he said she said" argument what else can one conclude? Of course Rosebud claims to have documented evidence but refuses to provide it to back up her claims.

?

I kind of believe she does have some evidence, and can't understand why she just won't come clean and tell the story with the evidence to back it up. That would do away with most of this drama actually.

I don't get it and it's pretty difficult to really understand why she continues to make these post after repeatedly, like dozens of times on this thread alone, say she doesn't want the drama.

I just don't get it. If there is evidence to back up all these allegations and accusations let's see it.

[_Madison54]

I kind of believe she does have some evidence, and can't understand why she just won't come clean and tell the story with the evidence to back it up. That would do away with most of this drama actually.

I don't get it and it's pretty difficult to really understand why she continues to make these post after repeatedly, like dozens of times on this thread alone, say she doesn't want the drama.

I just don't get it. If there is evidence to back up all these allegations and accusations let's see it.

I think she has evidence and I feel bad for her. I have to believe that Dehlin has something on her or something will come out that she doesn't want her family or friends to know if she produces the evidence. Otherwise, what is stopping her from doing it?

[_Doctor Scratch]

So, this whole thing can basically be summarized as: Rosebud "hooked up" with Dehlin on one or more occasions, where they kissed, "engaged in heavy petting," etc., Rosebud started to fall for him, and then he pulled the rug out, thus triggering this "crusade" to rescue people from being "taken in" by him? Is that it, more or less?

I think so.

If Rosebud insist on throwing out accusations and it becomes a "he said she said" argument what else can one conclude? Of course Rosebud claims to have documented evidence but refuses to provide it to back up her claims.

I guess that's my point: "claims" about what? What is the accusation? There is this vague miasma about Dehlin getting "paid," and/or about how he maybe should have paid other people, but I seem to be missing the part that explains how/why this is a legitimate problem. Is it that he promised to pay some people and then didn't?

[_schreech]

So...this relationship was consensual? This sounds so similar to another person on this site who blames their life failures on another person rather than sucking it up and accepting responsibility for their own decisions.

[_lostindc]

Hey all,

Hope everyone is well. Count your many Joseph Smith blessings. crap like that, life is going good here.

Rosebud,

As my history on this board shows, I think Dehlin is an attention whore that def comes across as a self serving ass, but your posts are not a record of anything. Saying something happened and then not clearing spelling it out doesn't help anyone, especially john and you. You need to clearly state what you believe happened and this can help stop whatever it is John is doing and consequentially protect others that may fall "victim."

Clearly some crap went down and ur family and u were seriously impacted. I am sorry that happened.