LGBT inclusion can tear congregations apart

[Marcus]

Update, SIX times in 9 days:

You're a moron.

Make that SEVEN times ceeboo has called someone a moron in 9 days.

Moron.

You're eroding your request for civility by the minute.

[Everybody Wang Chung]

Moron.

Ceeboo, is part 2 of your argument coming out soon or is that it?

[MG 2.0]

Ceebs, I'd like to continue this portion of the discussion either privately or in Celestial if you are so inclined. There are several approaches to Christianity I think I grasp. But I've tried to understand the claim by some Christians that other Christians are picking and choosing from the Bible with no success. From where I sit, I see picking and choosing everywhere. And, for me, the explanations offered don't hang together. So, I'd be interested in hearing more about how you approach what I see as picking and choosing. If you ever decide to have such a conversation, please let me know.

This is where the claims of Mormonism come into play. Joseph Smith saw that various Christian denominations were literally and figuratively not on the same page.

Ceeboo, I appreciate that you’re defending your particular views as to what the Bible teaches/says. Good Christians have been doing this for a long time. But the fact is, we see so many varying views as to what the gospel is and what it teaches.

In my view, if Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Light, it was necessary for him, through the Father, to restore what was lost through the ages.

I truly commend you for your dedication to the Bible and what you see as its teachings concerning salvation.

Truthfully? You won’t get very far with this crowd. Their hearts are turned away from the God who created all things.

Regards,
MG

[Physics Guy]

Do Latter-day Saints really believe that their Heavenly Father created all things? I thought they believed that he merely organized some pre-existing matter, having himself been a mortal in some previous world.

I for one do believe in a God who created all things. Iron Age books and their 19th century imitations do not seem to me to describe this Being so clearly.

[ceeboo]

Update, SIX times in 9 days:

Make that SEVEN times ceeboo has called someone a moron in 9 days.

Moron.

[Marcus]

Moron.

And EIGHT times ceeboo has called a fellow board member a moron in 9 days.

Your pleas for civility andd respect in threads here have been rendered moot.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

But people who call themselves Christians frequently appeal to Old Testament texts about sexual behaviour, without any hint that those laws have passed away. How come? Did they not get the email?

There are three types of law in the Old Testament.

Moral Law - Binding on all people for all times.

Civil Law - For the Nation of Israel, as a Nation - These laws expired with the Nation of Israel.

Ceremonial Laws - Laws that identified Israel as God's unique people (dietary - Cutting edge of beard, etc - All to signify that they are not like the people around them)

Christ has come - Christians are under the new covenant - under Grace - Christ has fulfilled the whole law and he has actually enabled Christians to keep the Moral law. The moral law hasn't gone anywhere, so it is still wrong for you to murder me or me to murder you. It is still wrong to commit adultery. It is still wrong to steal, etc, etc (All of these things remain.)

I would suggest that understanding the entire Bible, understanding what is taught in the New Testament, and understanding what Jesus taught, is what forces me to not just pick and choose what I like and what I don't like.

So, you want to know why I pick and choose certain parts of the Bible. I can explain it to you, and it leans heavily on an authority that is much higher than me.

But this is what I want to know: Why is it that you get to pick and choose from the Bible, and you don't know why, and you don't know how, and whatever you choose, is simply what you happen to want at any given moment?

I love that a dude can come along and say:



Oh, ok buddy.

[MG 2.0]

Do Latter-day Saints really believe that their Heavenly Father created all things? I thought they believed that he merely organized some pre-existing matter, having himself been a mortal in some previous world.

I for one do believe in a God who created all things. Iron Age books and their 19th century imitations do not seem to me to describe this Being so clearly.

“Merely organizing” would take a good bit of creativity. In that sense, yes, God created all things. I think that is pretty much in line with LDS theology.

Regards,
MG

[ceeboo]

Moron.

And EIGHT times ceeboo has called a fellow board member a moron in 9 days.

Your pleas for civility andd respect in threads here have been rendered moot.

Moron.

[Marcus]

Moron.

ceeboo has called fellow board members a moron NINE times in 9 days.