Mormonism's Greatest Downfall.

[Guest]

You gotta like a person who thinks that whatever God decrees, which can change inexplicably in time and context, is good accusing someone who is far from a relativist position of relativism.

[_JohnStuartMill]

The ref needs to call this fight between EAllusion and Crockofshit immediately. This thread is starting to remind me of the scene in Dirty Work that features a match between Evander Holyfield and Gary Coleman.

[_rcrocket]

What is a concubine?

Under purely biblical norms, a spouse whose children (or oldest son, to be specific) don't have rights of inheritance.

[_beastie]

Under purely biblical norms, a spouse whose children (or oldest son, to be specific) don't have rights of inheritance.

In other words, wives of lesser status, choice 2.

So how does this fit into the Celestial Kingdom?

[_rcrocket]

Under purely biblical norms, a spouse whose children (or oldest son, to be specific) don't have rights of inheritance.

In other words, wives of lesser status, choice 2.

So how does this fit into the Celestial Kingdom?

It is purely a property issue.

I trust you’re not so dense that you really don’t grasp EA’s point, so the only conclusion I can draw is you have no effective rebuttal. Of course, EA already responded effectively to “gibberish”.

Yes, I am too dense to grasp EAllusion's posts in general, so I won't.

[_JohnStuartMill]

Yes, I am too dense to grasp EAllusion's posts in general, so I won't.

Good. Maybe this will humble you a bit.

[_beastie]

It is purely a property issue.

It is a property issue in the celestial kingdom? How?

beastie said

I trust you’re not so dense that you really don’t grasp EA’s point, so the only conclusion I can draw is you have no effective rebuttal. Of course, EA already responded effectively to “gibberish”.

crocket replied:

Yes, I am too dense to grasp EAllusion's posts in general, so I won't.

Well, since apparently you're too dense to grasp that I actually stated you aren't dense, but simply have no effective rebuttal, perhaps your summary is correct after all.

[_rcrocket]

A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

It is true that the Greek word for "one" is not equivalent to "a". However, Paul did not say "only one." In the context of Paul's other discussions urging the believer to remain celibate, his reference to "one" means that: "one." That does not rule out plural marriage.

"17 Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away:"

Everything in context. This is part of the command to kings -- don't multiply all these "possessions" and "assets" to turn your head to other gods; yet plainly elsewhere God condoned and supported plural marriage. Otherwise, how could Jesus descend from a lesser wife?

[_rcrocket]

It is a property issue in the celestial kingdom? How?

I don't recall saying it was a property issue in the celestial kingdom. Lawful concubines have all rights of name and family association, as is witnessed by the many documented concubines of Jacob, as well as rights to kingship, apparently, as I read the Old Testament. It also seems the word "concubine" is used inconsistently in the Old Testament.

Well, since apparently you're too dense to grasp that I actually stated you aren't dense, but simply have no effective rebuttal, perhaps your summary is correct after all.

I choose not to respond to EAllusion's poorly worded thoughts and analyses simply because I lack the time. It was my fault for even responding with "gibberish." In the future I just won't respond.

[_beastie]

I don't recall saying it was a property issue in the celestial kingdom. Lawful concubines have all rights of name and family association, as is witnessed by the many documented concubines of Jacob, as well as rights to kingship, apparently, as I read the Old Testament. It also seems the word "concubine" is used inconsistently in the Old Testament.

God sanctions concubines in the D&C, as long as they are by the proper authority. D&C is talking about familial relationships in the Celestial Kingdom. So what are concubines in the CK?