Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver

[Guest]

Will, you know what posted. I saw it, and you know I saw it. I don't understand why you don't just own up to it.

Do you think any TBMs saw it? I think if a TBM saw it and is willing to admit they saw it, that might be a game changer for Will.

But then again, Will seems to have chosen to go all in on this one.

Be absolutely assured that, had I, in actuality, wrote what I am alleged to have written, it would have been INSTANTLY captured by dissonance and every single apostate evangelist on this board.

And they certainly wouldn't have waited literally months to make any mention of it! Oh, no. We'd have been hearing about it every single day since it allegedly happened.

But, of course, they didn't. And we haven't. That's because the idea just got hatched when MsJack decided to join the Schryver Snuff Brigade. (Oh, MsJack, what could you have been thinking?)

Anyway, I remember fairly well what I did say. It was a cleverly worded attack on dissonance's extreme hypocrisy. It drove the point home really, really hard. But it didn't contain even a single vulgar or profane reference at all. It was just a well done specimen of literary invective, and she didn't like it. I was mostly disappointed that I didn't get a chance to save it myself before she deleted the minor masterpiece.

At any rate, there was nothing for a TBM or anyone else to see.

I am, I confess, still secretly hoping that consigilieri will show up and list to serve the suborned witness club. With MsJack as President, and dissonance and Stak as counselors, the secretary position could give consiglieri, at long lost, that chance to fulfill his aspirations for a church leadership position--The Church of the Anti-Schryvers.

Alas, it is now my bedtime, but I will check back sometime in the morning to see how the show ... er, thread is progressing.

Be warned, however, consiglieri ... I understand you have to sign the contract in blood.


Edit: added some missing articles. It was late, for me.

[_MrStakhanovite]

But then again, Will seems to have chosen to go all in on this one.

It wouldn't matter one bit. The whole strategy here is to frame this thread as "Anti-Mormons" VS "Righteous Defenders", this is why Wade and Droopy have decided to grace this thread with their ever eloquent prose of misused jargon and clumsy cultural references. If they can firmly affix that negative label, the next step is to try and get people to disregard the entire content of Jack’s post without actually reading it and following the links.

[_moksha]

No matter how he riles anyone, he is still our brother.

Speak for yourself.

Actually, I said it was from my own religious values.

Any of the apologists who have read this thread should be alarmed by Will's comments. My guess is they realize that what he said was wrong. I would like to appeal to their decency to discuss this matter privately with Will and see if there are any solutions to be had.

Everyone has their darker side and I can see how some people might take vicarious pleasure by watching someone say or do things that would otherwise offend their own sense of decency. This is the same force that helps keep such things as dog and rooster fighting happening in the empty warehouses of America. It's tawdry but it unfortunately has an appeal.

After saying this, I have to reflect back on my religious values and remember that all people by virtue of their humanity share an inherent dignity and as such deserve respect. This includes Will. No matter how he riles anyone, he is still our brother.

I am hoping that I am not the only one who embraces these values, whether they are sanctioned by a religious organization or not.

[_Inconceivable]

The breast reduction surgery appears to have been successful.

lol

1 Nephi 14:11

11 And it came to pass that I looked and beheld the whore of all the earth, and she sat upon many waters; and she had dominion over all the earth, among all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people.

(Book of Mormon | 1 Nephi 14:11)

I don't think you get it, Will.

nobody is lol'ing.

Please understand, when you say things like this when respectable people are present, it's only right that you find yourself flat on your can. And while you're down there, apologising for your bad form is good form. I surely wouldn't let you up until you did.

[_harmony]

You, dissonance, are a liar.

I know that you know you are a liar.

You will, I have no doubt, leave this world as a liar.

I therefore pity you. But I will not speak to you again.

Your denials and vain blathering will not erase what is written in the Book of Life, nor will it cloud what God knows. I have no priesthood to lose. You, on the other hand, have forfeited yours.

Compounding your sin won't help. See your bishop; confess; access the Atonement. The pride you exhibit only digs your hole deeper.

[_Spurven Ten Sing]

Will, you know what posted. I saw it, and you know I saw it. I don't understand why you don't just own up to it.

At the risk of being involved in all this, I also recall the insult before it was removed. I was not surprised at the time, but I guess I am another witness. I also have to note I am not, nor have I ever been an enemy to Will.

[_Will Schryver]

Will, you know what posted. I saw it, and you know I saw it. I don't understand why you don't just own up to it.

At the risk of being involved in all this, I also recall the insult before it was removed. I was not surprised at the time, but I guess I am another witness.

Suborned witness.

And the count rises to 4.

I suppose, given the risk-free, non-falsifiable aspect of this "fill in the blank" opportunity set up by MsJack, it's just too hard to resist the temptation.

MsJack
dissonance
MrStakhanovite
Spurven Ten Sing

Who will be next?

I also have to note I am not, nor have I ever been an enemy to Will.

I can only assume this was meant as a joke.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Hello,

Mr. Schryver when talking to Beastie said:

I hope you and your incestuous, whorish, slutish, circle-jerking clan have a wonderful weekend.

V/R
Dr. Cam

[_Will Schryver]

The first post was made at 9:10 am:

viewtopic.php?p=372972#p372972

Rollo Tomasi was able to quote the post at 11:08 am (almost two hours later!):

viewtopic.php?p=373034#p373034

I made additional reference to the post at 11: 21 am, at which point I elaborated on the theme by citing scriptural references about apostates.

At some point after this, “harmony” went in and edited everyone’s posts.

So the original and the instances where it was cited were in the public eye for over two hours, and yet no one expressed any inordinate outrage at my unprecedented use of what is probably the most offensive word in the English language.

Of course, that's because it never happened.

I call upon Rollo Tomasi to speak up. I know that, had I really said what is alleged of me, Rollo would remember it. So let’s see if he’ll join the Suborned Witness Club in this affair. There is no love lost between Rollo and me. But will Rollo go so far as to also claim that I used this kind of language in my response to harmony? I am quite anxious to see.

Here is the post where I cited my own previous post and then elaborated on it. I invite anyone with a shred of objectivity and decency left (rare commodities, indeed, in this place) to see how the surrounding context is entirely inconsistent with the fabricated allegations that have been made:

Rollo Tomasi wrote:
There's no cause for you to treat Harmony that way, Will.

edited by harmony: blatant personal attack

For one who apparently claims to follow Christ, you are acting decidedly like an anti-Christ.

You mean the same guy who said this of apostates:

Cursed are all those that shall lift up the heel against mine anointed, saith the Lord, and cry they have sinned when they have not sinned before me, saith the Lord, but have done that which was meet in mine eyes, and which I commanded them.

But those who cry transgression do it because they are the servants of sin, and are the children of disobedience themselves.

... It had been better for them that a millstone had been hanged about their necks, and they drowned in the depth of the sea.

Or perhaps you're thinking of the Christ of whom this prophecy speaks:

And his voice shall be heard: I have trodden the wine-press alone, and have brought judgment upon all people; and none were with me;

And I have trampled them in my fury, and I did tread upon them in mine anger, and their blood have I sprinkled upon my garments, and stained all my raiment; for this was the day of vengeance which was in my heart.

I will stand before God at the last day secure in the knowledge of my unwavering loyalty to Him and His Kingdom, and notwithstanding my human weaknesses (of which I have many) I will be redeemed, while apostates like you and dissonance (barring your imminent repentance) will have cause to weep, wail, and gnash your teeth.

The entire context leading up to the original post, and the context that follows--including that contained in the posts where my original text was cited--is consistent with my claim that the original statement was a strongly worded condemnation of harmony's hypocrisy and impenitent apostasy. Had it been the egregious vulgarity MsJack, harmony, MrStakhanovite, and Spurven Ten Sing claim, there would have been, without any doubt whatsoever, a veritable tsunami of outrage vented towards me, multiple instances of people citing and commenting on it, etc. But, as can be seen, there was not.

So, Rollo, speak up. You were apparently very involved in that discussion. Will you also join the club, or will you do the right thing?

What about you, DarthJ? You were also there. Will you join the club? I find it very hard to believe you didn't express your outrage at the time. As one always quick to seize upon anything I say that you think you can use to discredit me, why didn't you jump all over my alleged use of the dreaded "C" word with harmony? By all indications, you just overlooked it entirely. Why is that?

I will, with great interest, await the comments of both Rollo and DarthJ.

[_Will Schryver]

Hello,

Mr. Schryver when talking to Beastie said:

I hope you and your incestuous, whorish, slutish, circle-jerking clan have a wonderful weekend.

V/R
Dr. Cam

Given your well-established track record for false accusations, I should think you would always provide a link from now on.

I did NOT say this to beastlie. But then, you knew that already, didn't you?
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And so the beat goes on around here. There is nothing beneath you people, is there?

Fine. Fill the cup. Fill it full.