MTC President Sexually Assaulted Sister Missionaries

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Re: MTC President Sexually Assaulted Sister Missionaries

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Craig Paxton wrote:Priesthood leaders claim to have the power of discernment. In other words they claim to be able to see into the hearts and minds of those they interview and discern whether the person being interviewed is being honest, truthful and forthright.

So how exactly did Joseph Bishop deceive and lie his way past Gordon Hinckley? Where was Hinckley's claimed super magical powers of discernment then?


The same way Mark Hoffman deceived the First Presidency with forged documents. The Holy Ghost is a sham. There is no special gift of discernment. That is a claim made by the lying leaders of the LDS church who are running a cult.
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I have a question wrote:
A former president of the LDS Missionary Training Center has admitted that he took a young woman into a small room at the Provo campus in 1984 and asked to see her breasts, according to a report released Wednesday by Brigham Young University police.

https://www.sltrib.com/news/2018/03/22/ ... olice-say/

And this guy isn’t yet excommunicated because...

He claimed not to remember the assault she alleged, but three days later, he told BYU officers that he recalled going into his small preparation room with her. “Then while talking to her he asked her to show him her breasts,” the report said, “which she did.”

His son might want to rethink his “my dad can’t remember/didn’t happen” defence...

“I have no reason to doubt the victim’s disclosure, and would have likely prosecuted Mr. Bishop,” Sturgill wrote in the report, “but for the expiration of the statute of limitations.”

The Church might wish to rethink its statement of “the police didn’t believe her”

This is an excellent point.

The police report from the interview done of Bishop by law enforcement on December 6 or 7, 2017, has this admission by Bishop that he asked the sister missionary to show him her breasts, which she did.

The church says it is conducting an investigation.

Surely the investigation would have uncovered at a minimum what was in the police reports.

And yet the church wants to say it will sit back and wait to see how this plays out in the courts?

This is indefensible, I think.

Asking a young lady to show you her breasts and have her comply is not a criminal offense.

But one would think church discipline might be warranted where the one asking is the MTC president and the one showing is a sister missionary at the MTC.
You prove yourself of the devil and anti-mormon every word you utter, because only the devil perverts facts to make their case.--ldsfaqs (6-24-13)
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Craig Paxton wrote:Priesthood leaders claim to have the power of discernment. In other words they claim to be able to see into the hearts and minds of those they interview and discern whether the person being interviewed is being honest, truthful and forthright.

So how exactly did Joseph Bishop deceive and lie his way past Gordon Hinckley? Where was Hinckley's claimed super magical powers of discernment then?


My guess is the very same way Hoffman was able to sell the Hinkster and gang all of those forged documents.
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Craig Paxton wrote:Priesthood leaders claim to have the power of discernment. In other words they claim to be able to see into the hearts and minds of those they interview and discern whether the person being interviewed is being honest, truthful and forthright.

So how exactly did Joseph Bishop deceive and lie his way past Gordon Hinckley? Where was Hinckley's claimed super magical powers of discernment then?

Unless I’m off on timelines, it appears he was able to pull the wool over the eyes of Kimball, Benson, and Hinckley (possibly Hunter). As well as a myriad of Apostles, and Seventies.

Just for the MTC calling alone, this guy would have likely been recommended by a General Authority, or Area Seventy, was then approved by the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve, and then set apart by a member of the FP, or Q12.

The only logical conclusion is that Jesus wanted these women assaulted as part of his plan.
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The LDS Church “takes seriously its responsibility to hold its members accountable for their conduct with respect of the laws of God and man,” Hawkins said. “To that end, the church is continuing its investigation of [the accuser’s] claims and will act consistent with its long-standing policy of no tolerance for abuse.”

https://www.sltrib.com/news/2018/03/22/ ... olice-say/

Continuing its investigation?

She reported it in 1987 - no action
She reported it in 2010 - no action
She reported it in 2016 - no action
A lawyer reported it, along with a tape recording, in January 2018 - no action
It hits the press in March 2018 - the only action the Church takes is to remove his books from sale

No tolerance for abuse?
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Another bull's-eye, IHAQ!!!
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KUTV reports

Former employee confirms 'odd' MTC basement room with bed and TV

When asked about these new details, Eric Hawkins, spokesperson for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, said, "Yes, Joseph Bishop had an secondary office in the basement of the MTC. People we have interviewed who were familiar with the office report it did not contain a bed."
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In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.

Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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Eric Hawkins.

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Look at that face.

- Doc
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Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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Sammy Jankins wrote:KUTV reports

Former employee confirms 'odd' MTC basement room with bed and TV

When asked about these new details, Eric Hawkins, spokesperson for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, said, "Yes, Joseph Bishop had an secondary office in the basement of the MTC. People we have interviewed who were familiar with the office report it did not contain a bed."


Stick the fork in.

He's done.
You prove yourself of the devil and anti-mormon every word you utter, because only the devil perverts facts to make their case.--ldsfaqs (6-24-13)
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