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Re: How long/intensely did you believe in the historicity of the Book of Mormon?
Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2022 12:21 am
by Doctor CamNC4Me
MG 2.0 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 9:53 pm
*inserts some nonsense*
Regards,
MG
What does that have to do with anything? Also,
tell us about the years you spent going to mosque and studying the Quran and Sunna so you could scratch that one off the list.
- Doc
Re: How long/intensely did you believe in the historicity of the Book of Mormon?
Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2022 12:25 am
by MG 2.0
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 12:21 am
MG 2.0 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 9:53 pm
*inserts some nonsense*
Regards,
MG
What does that have to do with anything? Also,
tell us about the years you spent going to mosque and studying the Quran and Sunna so you could scratch that one off the list.
- Doc
I think I’m really starting to understand you better. And it’s NOT pretty.
Want to join in with a viable alternative?
You know what we were talking about, right?
Or maybe not…
Regards,
MG
Re: How long/intensely did you believe in the historicity of the Book of Mormon?
Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2022 12:40 am
by Marcus
MG 2.0 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 12:11 am
Marcus wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 10:21 pm
and still no response to a source for this.
I gave the link.
No you didn't.
Dr Moore wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 8:06 pm
And around and around. MG doesn’t give two craps about data, methodology or logic. All he wants is to get people mad. #ignorethetroll
Re: How long/intensely did you believe in the historicity of the Book of Mormon?
Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2022 12:44 am
by Doctor CamNC4Me
MG 2.0 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 12:25 am
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 12:21 am
What does that have to do with anything? Also,
tell us about the years you spent going to mosque and studying the Quran and Sunna so you could scratch that one off the list.
- Doc
I think I’m really starting to understand you better. And it’s NOT pretty.
Want to join in with a viable alternative?
You know what we were talking about, right?
Or maybe not…
Regards,
MG
You’re the one that claimed multiple times you’ve studied all the major religions and philosophies of the world and came to the conclusion Mormonism is the bestest one. So, tell us about the years you spent going to mosque and studying the Quran and Sunna so you could scratch that one off the list.
Also, your quick google search ref perfectionism and Islam was way the “F” off, probably because you know jack crap about Islam, no?
- Doc
Re: How long/intensely did you believe in the historicity of the Book of Mormon?
Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2022 12:48 am
by Doctor CamNC4Me
Marcus wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 12:40 am
MG 2.0 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 12:11 am
I gave the link.
No you didn't.
Dr Moore wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 8:06 pm
And around and around. MG doesn’t give two craps about data, methodology or logic. All he wants is to get people mad. #ignorethetroll
> be me. be MG.
> constantly throw prophets, apostles, and church history under the bus when they conflict with my version of Mormonism
> find a quote with an apostle offering speculation by old Mormon apostle long dead
> it mirrors my own opinion
> that's WhAt Mormonism TeAcHes!
- _ -
- Doc
Re: How long/intensely did you believe in the historicity of the Book of Mormon?
Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2022 1:45 am
by Dr Exiled
It's just guessing. Anyway, the "plan" I would support is where we come to this world to gain experience in a wild west, uncontrolled world, because without knowledge and how animalistic humans are, we tend to act as we do. This is the only way I can solve the problem of evil in my mind. (Sorry, the Mormon god cannot be god as 3 Nephi 9 clearly shows he was a figment of Joseph Smith's imagination). No one knows beyond this world what happens and the supposed "prophets" are just guessing, including and most certainly Nelson. There isn't the stark judgment christianity posits, only learning from mistakes and growth thereby after we are done in this Westworld existence.
Re: How long/intensely did you believe in the historicity of the Book of Mormon?
Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2022 2:03 am
by Gadianton
I would not be at all surprised to find out that we may have ‘signed on’ to a LIMITED scope/range of experiences before coming to earth.
It's mathematically impossible. All of those Mormon theories about either picking parents, picking challenges, or whatever, would be impossible to work out without predestination being true.
Suppose just one thing was picked for me: I agreed to be in a car accident. That means I have to be born in a time with cars, for one. Subtle implications like this constrain possible events, people have to be born in times and places with tight constraints in order for the details of the events to even be possible, and then everyone's free will has to work out just right so the even happens.
Now just think about all the background assumptions required to make one thing true for every single person. 200,000 spirits agreed to land-mine injuries? There has to be a war, or several wars?, the technology tree has to work out just right to create the kind of weapons that inflict the damage. Another agreed to be born blind. All those agreed to be blind at birth have to have matching gene failures, or mothers in a situation that will cause a birth defect. And they have to be there by their free will. It's absurd.
In fact, it's absurd to believe that the world's population will unfold exactly right in order to equal exactly the number of spirits waiting; without predestination. If you're pro-life, you've got a hot mess to deal with: hundreds of millions agree to enter the fertilized egg and then get aborted? Well, now you have to have a tech tree, the right population level to sustain the numbers, and then the personal decisions of mothers sprouting from life circumstances to match those who agreed to be aborted in the pre-existence.
Re: How long/intensely did you believe in the historicity of the Book of Mormon?
Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2022 2:11 am
by Binger
Gadianton wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 2:03 am
I would not be at all surprised to find out that we may have ‘signed on’ to a LIMITED scope/range of experiences before coming to earth.
It's mathematically impossible. All of those Mormon theories about either picking parents, picking challenges, or whatever, would be impossible to work out without predestination being true.
Suppose just one thing was picked for me: I agreed to be in a car accident. That means I have to be born in a time with cars, for one. Subtle implications like this constrain possible events, people have to be born in times and places with tight constraints in order for the details of the events to even be possible, and then everyone's free will has to work out just right so the even happens.
Now just think about all the background assumptions required to make one thing true for every single person. 200,000 spirits agreed to land-mine injuries? There has to be a war, or several wars?, the technology tree has to work out just right to create the kind of weapons that inflict the damage. Another agreed to be born blind. All those agreed to be blind at birth have to have matching gene failures, or mothers in a situation that will cause a birth defect. And they have to be there by their free will. It's absurd.
In fact, it's absurd to believe that the world's population will unfold exactly right in order to equal exactly the number of spirits waiting; without predestination. If you're pro-life, you've got a hot mess to deal with: hundreds of millions agree to enter the fertilized egg and then get aborted? Well, now you have to have a tech tree, the right population level to sustain the numbers, and then the personal decisions of mothers sprouting from life circumstances to match those who agreed to be aborted in the pre-existence.
This definitely ain't wrong.
Re: How long/intensely did you believe in the historicity of the Book of Mormon?
Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2022 2:19 am
by MG 2.0
Marcus wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 12:40 am
MG 2.0 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 12:11 am
I gave the link.
No you didn't.
Dr Moore wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 8:06 pm
And around and around. MG doesn’t give two craps about data, methodology or logic. All he wants is to get people mad. #ignorethetroll
Pg.15 first post.
Is this all you want to focus on?
Do you not think that this makes sense? Back when you were an active Latter-Day Saint did you not think beyond the end of your nose?
What did perfection mean to you? Was it simply a guilt trip thing?
Regards,
MG
Re: How long/intensely did you believe in the historicity of the Book of Mormon?
Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2022 2:23 am
by MG 2.0
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 12:44 am
MG 2.0 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 12:25 am
I think I’m really starting to understand you better. And it’s NOT pretty.
Want to join in with a viable alternative?
You know what we were talking about, right?
Or maybe not…
Regards,
MG
You’re the one that claimed multiple times you’ve studied all the major religions and philosophies of the world and came to the conclusion Mormonism is the bestest one. So, tell us about the years you spent going to mosque and studying the Quran and Sunna so you could scratch that one off the list.
Also, your quick google search ref perfectionism and Islam was way the “F” off, probably because you know jack crap about Islam, no?
- Doc
Is the information incorrect?
https://www.al-islam.org/faith-and-reas ... perfection
We’re back to making a mountain out of a molehill.
Yeah, I spent years going to a mosque.
Where do you come up with this off kilter stuff?
You seem to want to avoid the actual discussion.
Regards,
MG