OMG, Time Flies! I've been a secret apostate for years now!

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just me wrote:The real problem is that the LDS church tells you all this shiz you need to do but they fail to address HOW to do it. How to function. How to overcome real life issues.

Mostly, we all sit there wondering why everyone else can handle it and we can't. I have yet to meet a Mormon who says they *know* they are going to the Celestial Kingdom.


Of course, the ones who seem like they can handle it are thinking they are the only ones who can't handle it. You're right that there is no mechanism for recognizing what's wrong or how to fix it. Just pray more, go to the temple, read your scriptures, and you'll be fine. Only you won't be.
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just me wrote:The real problem is that the LDS church tells you all this shiz you need to do but they fail to address HOW to do it. How to function. How to overcome real life issues.

Oh you want more rules then right? More manuals? More instructions? I suspect you wouldn't follow them anyway.
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mfbukowski wrote:
just me wrote:The real problem is that the LDS church tells you all this shiz you need to do but they fail to address HOW to do it. How to function. How to overcome real life issues.

Oh you want more rules then right? More manuals? More instructions? I suspect you wouldn't follow them anyway.


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Runtu wrote:Of course, the ones who seem like they can handle it are thinking they are the only ones who can't handle it. You're right that there is no mechanism for recognizing what's wrong or how to fix it. Just pray more, go to the temple, read your scriptures, and you'll be fine. Only you won't be.

Disagree.

Those things work fine for me.
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just me wrote:Do I know you? Because you clearly do not know me or what I was saying.

OK
So that leaves you two options. Explain or don't. It's up to you.
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mfbukowski wrote:Oh you want more rules then right? More manuals? More instructions? I suspect you wouldn't follow them anyway.


What a crappy thing to say.
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mfbukowski wrote:Disagree.

Those things work fine for me.


I'm glad it works you.
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mfbukowski wrote:
just me wrote:The real problem is that the LDS church tells you all this shiz you need to do but they fail to address HOW to do it. How to function. How to overcome real life issues.

Oh you want more rules then right? More manuals? More instructions? I suspect you wouldn't follow them anyway.


Yes, the logical inference from her statement that the LDS Church imposes too many requirements and unrealistic expectations is that she wants more rules.
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liz3564 wrote:However, I think that it is worth noting that the Mormon culture both encourages and rewards perfectionism. I think that, women, in particular, have a rough time with this, because we are constantly encouraged to be the care givers, to think of ourselves last, not complain, etc. Women have a nurturing instictive, anyway, so when you add the constant pressure of perfection, it is overwhelming. You feel that if your kids aren't dressed impeccably, sitting quietly in Sacrament Meeting, after eating a breakfast of homemade bread from wheat you ground yourself, you are somehow a failure! LOL

Of course, I am exaggerating a bit here, but it is funny because there is truth behind the exaggeration. All of us who have been in Relief Society have felt this at one point or another.


I actually don't see this. I see many women working outside the home and doing what they have to do so their family survives. However, I do think that when we look at children and when we look at youth, we can see that there is something wrong with how various societies are developing with the younger generation and so, in an ideal world, the advice that the church gives makes sense. However, in practicalities it is very difficult to do because of structural changes in society. And this is why we see the series I am a Mormon having working women with nice smiles on their faces. It is the new reality.

We also need to remember that GAs give advice on how to do life and we can pick and chose what advice best suits us at that moment. It is pretty near impossible to do all that the GAs are advising people to do. It is not a commandment to wash the dishes or vacuum the carpet. It is also not a commandment to be perfect in all things: bedmaking, clothes washing, shoe shining etc.
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Let's play a fun game called, "Find an assertion that self-proclaimed defender of the faith Why Me makes about the LDS Church that even remotely resembles what the Church teaches."

It will be difficult!

why me wrote:We also need to remember that GAs give advice on how to do life and we can pick and chose what advice best suits us at that moment. It is pretty near impossible to do all that the GAs are advising people to do.


Abraham 3:25

And we will prove them herewith, to see if they will do all things whatsoever the Lord their God shall command them;

Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Joseph Smith, (2007)

“To get salvation we must not only do some things, but everything which God has commanded. Men may preach and practice everything except those things which God commands us to do, and will be damned at last. We may tithe mint and rue, and all manner of herbs, and still not obey the commandments of God [see Luke 11:42]. The object with me is to obey and teach others to obey God in just what He tells us to do."[/quote]

M. Russell Ballard, http://LDS.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideN ... 82620aRCRD

As soon as you begin to think that you know better than the leaders of the Church, that our counsel doesn’t apply to you, you are stepping onto a slippery slope that has claimed far too many victims already. It takes real desire and unequivocal, unreserved faith to accept and to live prophetic counsel even when you may not completely understand it.

Ezra Taft Benson, http://LDS.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideN ... 82620aRCRD


Sometimes there are those who argue about words. They might say the prophet gave us counsel but that we are not obliged to follow it unless he says it is a commandment. But the Lord says of the Prophet, “Thou shalt give heed unto all his words and commandments which he shall give unto you.” (D&C 21:4.).


Rulon G. Craven of the Seventy, http://LDS.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideN ... 82620aRCRD

To harden the heart is to ignore or not be willing to accept counsel. When persons allow themselves to succumb to temptation, they are acting against counsel: the counsel of the Holy Ghost, the counsel of our prophet leaders, the counsel of sound doctrine, the counsel of covenants, and often the counsel of those who love them most.

Joseph B. Wirthlin, http://LDS.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideN ... 82620aRCRD

We have His counsel in the scriptures and in the words of the prophets. However, if we choose to ignore the prophets, we choose the consequences that follow.


Joe J. Christensen, http://LDS.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideN ... 82620aRCRD

When anyone chooses to ignore or defiantly go against the counsel of the living prophet, he is on very shaky ground.

Henry B. Eyring, http://LDS.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideN ... 82620aRCRD

But the choice not to take prophetic counsel changes the very ground upon which we stand. The failure to take prophetic counsel lessens our power to take inspired counsel in the future.

M. Russell Ballard, http://LDS.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideN ... 82620aRCRD

It takes faith—real faith, unequivocal and unreserved—to accept and attempt to live prophetic counsel even when you don’t completely understand it. But to each of you I have only one question: are you going to follow the true and living prophets or not?
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