Message to Women: Cover-up or it's your fault if men leer

[_Ludd]

Can any of you picture in your mind if all woman came to church dressed like the woman of Tabernacle Choir - all in the same outfit.

They probably look pretty nice when they let their hair down.

I wonder if they're all hurrying back to the temple for some "celestial" training sessions?

[_zeezrom]

Here is a quote from Bonnie English's "Fashion" 2009 regarding Mr. Poiret (1879-1944):

As his garments were deliberately loose fitting, he contributed to the demise of the corset but preferred not to endorse this fact publicly, because it had such a detrimental effect on the undergarment trade in the first decade of the twentieth century. The Paris Chamber of Commerce sent a deputation to him in an attempt to dissuade him from pursuing this new "unfettered" dirction in fashion; among other things, it was considered to be immoral.

Bold is mine.

I think this supports my theory that Joseph Fielding Smith was having trouble with the loss of the corset and rigidity of women's apparel.

by the way - It was around 1908 - 1910 when the corset started to disappear from Poiret's designs. Just about the time Joseph Fielding started complaining.

[_keithb]

Nobody is complaining about guys looking. But when a guy turns into a lecherous ass, who's fault is it? If you have a nice car that you worked hard for, and you like to drive it around to turn heads, and a guy steals it, is it your fault for tempting him?

Unfortunately, the analogy does not work. Women know that when they wear something hot, sexy and revealing they will get the reaction that they are seeking and our putting thoughts into the male mind.

I will give you an example. I remember an university professor telling me about one of his students. She would always come to class in a low cut blouse and she had nice size breasts. The poor guy did not know where to look when she would speak to him or bend down to get her pencil. Did she know that she may get such a reaction from the men? I think so.

And? So?

I actually work as a professor at the moment. I have had girls who flirt with me. I have had girls who try to flirt to get better grades. I have even had girls come to class wearing very revealing outfits. So, what's your point? I still can choose what to do about that. I can choose to look at them or not. And, even if I do look, I can choose to stare or not.

Human sexuality is a normal part of life. Nearly everything we do in society is based on sex in some form or another. In my philosophy, it's not wrong to be aroused, nor is it a crime to provoke arousal. This holds for both sexes.

Modesty is completely overrated. Also, it's not a woman's fault if a man is aroused around her, nor is it wrong for a man to become aroused around an attractive woman.

[_Fiannan]

Any thoughts on this outfit? Bet J. Edgar Hoover would have experienced a rise in temperature gazing upon this!

[_quaker]

And? So?

I actually work as a professor at the moment. I have had girls who flirt with me. I have had girls who try to flirt to get better grades. I have even had girls come to class wearing very revealing outfits. So, what's your point? I still can choose what to do about that. I can choose to look at them or not. And, even if I do look, I can choose to stare or not.

Human sexuality is a normal part of life. Nearly everything we do in society is based on sex in some form or another. In my philosophy, it's not wrong to be aroused, nor is it a crime to provoke arousal. This holds for both sexes.

Modesty is completely overrated. Also, it's not a woman's fault if a man is aroused around her, nor is it wrong for a man to become aroused around an attractive woman.

The issue is that there is pretty extreme backlash for being sexually aroused if you are a guy.

An example is a middle school local to my city. They banned the skin tight yoga pants when worn without some sort of skirt or cover. Of course the girls complained that it was against their rights, and that boys should learn to deal with it,, control themselves etc.

The reasoning from the administrators is that the pants caused unnecessary distraction.

If the guys are constantly having to focus on hiding involuntary erections then they become very distracted. But they have girls telling them to control themselves, stop being horny, it's their fault, etc when in reality a big boner when a teacher forces you to stand up in class is the last thing a guy wants due to the consequences.

I suggest we begin erection awareness days around middle schools to address the problem. On this day all the boys can walk around without having to spend the day hiding the boners they pop whenever they catch a glimpse of the class hotty's booty and boobs.

[_just me]

Good god, boys can get erections from getting up out of a chair. I'm sure it is painfully embarrassing. However, it isn't their fault nor is it the fault of females. Blame nature if that floats your boat.

[_MCB]

On this day all the boys can walk around without having to spend the day hiding the boners they pop whenever they catch a glimpse of the class hotty's booty and boobs.

The boys (and men) can wear loose pants to hide it. Honestly, I never have looked in that area-- it is their own business. I think their embarrassment is just a matter of self-consciousness.

[_Jason Bourne]

BCSpace, I have a challenge for you. Please find me a talk (doesn't have to be doctrinal) that is geared towards MALES ONLY that discusses specific body parts they need to cover up and that if they cause a female to think *those thoughts* that it is essentially his fault. No, talks about grooming and baggy/sloppy clothes do not count. I want one that is the male version of this talk. It needs to speak to body parts that lead women to have lustful/vulgar thoughts and speech. It needs to tell men that it is their responsibility to keep the thoughts of these women pure.

I'd love to see it.

Did BC ever respond to this?

[_harmony]

I'm still trying to figure out what is wrong with lustful thoughts.

Without lustful thoughts, the species dies out.

[_just me]

BCSpace, I have a challenge for you. Please find me a talk (doesn't have to be doctrinal) that is geared towards MALES ONLY that discusses specific body parts they need to cover up and that if they cause a female to think *those thoughts* that it is essentially his fault. No, talks about grooming and baggy/sloppy clothes do not count. I want one that is the male version of this talk. It needs to speak to body parts that lead women to have lustful/vulgar thoughts and speech. It needs to tell men that it is their responsibility to keep the thoughts of these women pure.

I'd love to see it.

Did BC ever respond to this?

Of course not.