Shocked by Polygamy

[_Buffalo]

Oh, that's easy. Every one of the marriages to Joseph Smith after his death was dynastic. And I didn't invent the concept. The RLDS or CoC have maintained ALL of Joseph Smith relationships besides Emma were dynastic. The burden of proof is actually to demonstrate which of the marriages were not dynastic actually and it has been a topic of discussion between the RLDS and LDS since Joseph Smith's death.

I think we both agree that no one was shagging Joseph's corpse.

However, the fact that these were his wives is prima facie evidence that damned was the order of the day.

Your turn.

[_Tobin]

I think we both agree that no one was shagging Joseph's corpse.
However, the fact that these were his wives is prima facie evidence that f*****g was the order of the day.
Your turn.

You are confused. I don't deny Joseph Smith had polygamous relationships as I am not RLDS. There is a good case to be made for some of the women because of what they said.

[_Yoda]

There were no dynastic marriages with Joseph in his lifetime. Prove me wrong.

Actually, If I recall correctly, there were a few dynastic marriages while Joseph was still alive. I believe that there was, at least one woman, who was older, like in her 50's, who Joseph married, and did not have sex with. It does sound like he probably had sex with most of his wives who were child bearing age.

[_Tobin]

There were no dynastic marriages with Joseph in his lifetime. Prove me wrong.

Actually, If I recall correctly, there were a few dynastic marriages while Joseph was still alive. I believe that there was, at least one woman, who was older, like in her 50's, who Joseph married, and did not have sex with. It does sound like he probably had sex with most of his wives who were child bearing age.

Fanny Young was 56
Rhoda Richards was 58
Sarah Kingsley Cleveland was 53
Elizabeth Davis Durfee was 50
Patty Bartlett Sessions was 47

This was at a time when the average life expectancy was into your mid-40's and they certainly don't fit the "sexed-out" Joseph Smith model.

[_Buffalo]

There were no dynastic marriages with Joseph in his lifetime. Prove me wrong.

Actually, If I recall correctly, there were a few dynastic marriages while Joseph was still alive. I believe that there was, at least one woman, who was older, like in her 50's, who Joseph married, and did not have sex with. It does sound like he probably had sex with most of his wives who were child bearing age.

So he had sex with everyone he considered fuckable?

What evidence, however, is there that he didn't “F” the older woman?

[_Buffalo]

Fanny Young was 56
Rhoda Richards was 58
Sarah Kingsley Cleveland was 53
Elizabeth Davis Durfee was 50
Patty Bartlett Sessions was 47

This was at a time when the average life expectancy was into your mid-40's and they certainly don't fit the "sexed-out" Joseph Smith model.

The vast majority were much younger. But you knew that.

[_Analytics]

Actually, If I recall correctly, there were a few dynastic marriages while Joseph was still alive. I believe that there was, at least one woman, who was older, like in her 50's, who Joseph married, and did not have sex with. It does sound like he probably had sex with most of his wives who were child bearing age.

Fanny Young was 56
Rhoda Richards was 58
Sarah Kingsley Cleveland was 53
Elizabeth Davis Durfee was 50
Patty Bartlett Sessions was 47

This was at a time when the average life expectancy was into your mid-40's and they certainly don't fit the "sexed-out" Joseph Smith model.

100 years earlier, Ben Franklin was talking to a buddy about the advantages of getting married and settling down, and the friend said he didn't want to--he liked sleeping around. Franklin told him that if he wanted to sleep around, he should do it with older women because they make better lovers. The friend asked for Franklin's reasons, which Franklin then penned in a letter. Paraphrasing:

1- Older women make better conversationalists

2- Older women make up for their looks by being useful

3- You don't have to worry about unwanted pregnancy

4- They are more descrete

5- From the waste-down, older women are just as attractive as younger

6- Because it's less sinful to roll around with an older woman

7- Screwing younger women makes her feel bad and can make you feel guilty, while screwing older women makes everybody feel good

8- "They are so grateful!!"

http://grammar.about.com/od/classicessa ... linmis.htm

[_angsty]

Most Mormons don't seem to have a very in-depth history of their own religion anyway, beyond the faith-promoting bits mentioned in manuals.

I used to be incredibly insulted by this kind of observation, in my missionary days. But in truth I knew very little about Mormonism, just like all the other missionaries.

I would have been insulted as well, but in retrospect, I can see now that I knew very little myself. Incidentally, it was a similar observation by a friend that caused me to study my way right out of the gospel. I was going to invite him to church with me and we had a conversation about it that ended with him gently suggesting that if I really knew about my church's history, I wouldn't believe the things I do. It deeply hurt my feelings, even though he was absolutely right.

The thing is, I wasn't a lazy member. I faithfully attended seminary and went to institute even during semesters I wasn't in school. I was very diligent about preparing for participation in lessons and in "studying the gospel"-- which, unless things have changed, does not mean researching its history using academic methods. I even read the entire multivolume history of the church. I read and trusted what was published by the church about itself and I probably knew more about what the church said about itself that a good deal of the members I've ever known.

I don't fault members for not knowing about some of the more shocking details of Mormon history. It's not really their fault, and it probably wouldn't make them better examples of whatever good Mormonism has to offer anyway.

[_DarkHelmet]

I believe that there was, at least one woman, who was older, like in her 50's, who Joseph married, and did not have sex with.

I'm sure Joseph was like any other guy. I'm guessing women in their 50s back in those days weren't the hottest tickets in town. Joseph probably didn't have sex with the older ones, and I don't think he nailed the youngest ones either. He would save them for later, if he had lived that long.

[_son of Ishmael]

I believe that there was, at least one woman, who was older, like in her 50's, who Joseph married, and did not have sex with.

I'm sure Joseph was like any other guy. I'm guessing women in their 50s back in those days weren't the hottest tickets in town. Joseph probably didn't have sex with the older ones, and I don't think he nailed the youngest ones either. He would save them for later, if he had lived that long.

Oh I bet there were some MILFs back in Joseph's day...


Or maybe he thought that by marrying some older sisters would give what he was doing a sense of legitimacy for when the whole thing came to light. Just like people are using them for now.