THE JERSEY GIRL MEGATHREAD

[_EAllusion]

Maybe it's different in Canada, but in America, we say 'wussie', not 'pussy' if you want to call someone cowardly.

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Where do you live?

[_hobo1512]

I would NEVER waste my time doing something like that, to you or to any others here.


Maybe it's different in Canada, but in America, we say 'wussie', not 'pussy' if you want to call someone cowardly. I'll assume you didn't mean it the way it came across and accept your explanation.

Ummmm....I'm in America (have been all my life), and I use the P word, and I know a whole lot of other people who do too.

I'm just sayin....

[_Alter Idem]

It's been about the ban (whether or not it was justified), as well as the way she has been represented (correctly or incorrectly).

I have nothing against Jersey Girl whatsoever, but she fought the law, and the law won.

I think her words stand for themselves.

by the way, is this horse dead yet?

Unfortunately, when you continue to show that you don't understand, it's not dead yet. It is not about the ban. Shades can ban who he chooses. It is and has always been, to me, about the misunderstanding and the fact that Shades screwed up in his handling of Darrick and allowed him to escalate and threaten his posters. Then he punished Jersey Girl for taking matters into her own hands--rather than admitting his own culpability, he put all the blame on her.

Jersey Girl doesn't want to be back on this board, but I think she doesn't want to be branded as having threatened to harm Shades, his family and his moderators, which he has claimed was part of her plans to justify his actions.

Also, I notice posters mentioning Joseph and his banning, but what about SGW? He DID get the board shut down for a while and yet, he was not banned. That too, sets a precedent that could have been followed. Shades could have dealt differently with Jersey Girl, his hands were not tied. He could've seen her actions in the context of what he knew of her--her concern over an unstable person turning physically violent and could have viewed her actions as he did SGW's, but he did not. Instead, he chose to deal her the harshest punishment on this board--permanent banning. Why, I'm not sure.

[_Yoda]

This is Jersey Girl's last statement on this topic. She posted it on my board a little while ago:

Liz,

This is the only statement that I want you to post for me. As I stated previously,

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I have no clue what the wording was in my PM's to LDST. PM's and posts were flying back and forth like crazy. I might have said something to the effect that if Shades couldn't keep people safe then he didn't deserve a board. I might have said to the effect that if the board gets taken down, so be it.

What I cared about most was stopping Darrick.


Quote:
In any case, LDST has my express permission to post both of our PM's in concert on MDB, including time stamps. Giving this permission to LDST through you as a moderator, Liz. I promise you that I will own whatever I stated. Not that anyone else is owning their words.


I see that LDST has posted the PM's. While I do not see time stamps on those to provide chronology, yes, those are my PM exchanges with LDST. As I see in the PM evidences, LDST is entirely correct that I mentioned having the board taken down. According to Shades, attempts to go after the board are okay with him and even though that's the very first issue he raised with me via PM's, in the final outcome, that was not the reason that he gave for my banning.

When I used the phrase "liable" or "liability", I am referring to responsibility taking. That is to say, board admin (ultimately that's Mav, I suppose, I've never been clear on that) is responsible for what is transmitted on the board via the contractual agreement with the webhost.

When I looked at the terms of agreement (General Use and the other section, can't remember the title at the moment) I wasn't sure if what was taking place on MDB met the criteria. That's how and why I ended up making an inquiry instead.

That's all I intend to address here. I am not planning to send any further posts on to MDB for autopsy examination unless I can respond to them directly. Other than that, I'll leave you all to it.

Oh and LDST, you're just lucky I edited those vent posts, because they sure didn't say "screw" the first time around!

;-)

I do wish you all well.

Jersey Girl

[Guest]

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[_hobo1512]

It's been about the ban (whether or not it was justified), as well as the way she has been represented (correctly or incorrectly).

I have nothing against Jersey Girl whatsoever, but she fought the law, and the law won.

I think her words stand for themselves.

by the way, is this horse dead yet?

Unfortunately, when you continue to show that you don't understand, it's not dead yet. It is not about the ban. Shades can ban who he chooses. It is and has always been, to me, about the misunderstanding and the fact that Shades screwed up in his handling of Darrick and allowed him to escalate and threaten his posters. Then he punished Jersey Girl for taking matters into her own hands--rather than admitting his own culpability, he put all the blame on her.

Jersey Girl doesn't want to be back on this board, but I think she doesn't want to be branded as having threatened to harm Shades, his family and his moderators, which he has claimed was part of her plans to justify his actions.

Also, I notice posters mentioning Joseph and his banning, but what about SGW? He DID get the board shut down for a while and yet, he was not banned. That too, sets a precedent that could have been followed. Shades could have dealt differently with Jersey Girl, his hands were not tied. He could've seen her actions in the context of what he knew of her--her concern over an unstable person turning physically violent and could have viewed her actions as he did SGW's, but he did not. Instead, he chose to deal her the harshest punishment on this board--permanent banning. Why, I'm not sure.

Obviously, it is you that doesn't understand. Yes, it is about the ban, and the way it was handled, along with other things.

Shades explained it very well, and so has EA.

Jersey Girl has not (imho) been misrepresented in this at all. Her words speak for themselves.

Shades did what he had to do. Period.

I don't care what Jersey Girl says about not caring whether or not she is banned. She does, otherwise she would just let it die.

Instead, she is working through 3rd parties to stir things up again in order to get the ban lifted so she can come back and defend herself. Or hadn't you thought of that particular angle?

Are you really that naïve?

ETA: Liz posted this on behalf of Jersey Girl while I was typing my response to you. So, as you can see, there is an ulterior motive. (bolding mine)

"That's all I intend to address here. I am not planning to send any further posts on to MDB for autopsy examination unless I can respond to them directly. Other than that, I'll leave you all to it."

[_Yoda]

ETA: Liz posted this on behalf of Jersey Girl while I was typing my response to you. So, as you can see, there is an ulterior motive. (bolding mine)

"That's all I intend to address here. I am not planning to send any further posts on to MDB for autopsy examination unless I can respond to them directly. Other than that, I'll leave you all to it."

Actually, Alter Idem's analysis is spot on, and yours is all wet. There is no ulterior motive. Jersey Girl knows she is not going to be allowed to respond directly, hence her term aboout "autopsy examination".

And of course, that is exactly what is happening.

[_beastie]

I'm just going to say one thing. There is no need for the accusations of "lying" that are taking place on each side.

Shades and EA are not lying, because it is very reasonable to interpret Jersey Girl's words in the manner they have.

Jersey Girl is not lying because she knows that, no matter how her words came out in the heat of the moment, her intent was never to sue anyone.

Maybe both sides need to try and step in the other's shoes for a moment or two.

[_Yoda]

I'm just going to say one thing. There is no need for the accusations of "lying" that are taking place on each side.

Shades and EA are not lying, because it is very reasonable to interpret Jersey Girl's words in the manner they have.

Jersey Girl is not lying because she knows that, no matter how her words came out in the heat of the moment, her intent was never to sue anyone.

Maybe both sides need to try and step in the other's shoes for a moment or two.

+10000

That has been my point all along.

[_hobo1512]

ETA: Liz posted this on behalf of Jersey Girl while I was typing my response to you. So, as you can see, there is an ulterior motive. (bolding mine)

"That's all I intend to address here. I am not planning to send any further posts on to MDB for autopsy examination unless I can respond to them directly. Other than that, I'll leave you all to it."

Actually, Alter Idem's analysis is spot on, and yours is all wet. There is no ulterior motive. Jersey Girl knows she is not going to be allowed to respond directly, hence her term aboout "autopsy examination".

And of course, that is exactly what is happening.

Then why add the bit about responding directly?

She very well could have stopped with the autopsy examination, now couldn't she?

Unfortunately Liz, you are coming off looking like a pawn.

I have a higher view of you than that.

If she didn't want to get back on this board, she would just let this whole thing die. If she is such a self confident individual (and I believe she is), she wouldn't give two hoots about what is said over here now would she?

She has proven herself quite well. Her words speak volumes. But then of course everyone else is misinterpreting them.