YouTuber Alyssa Grenfell Has Cost The Church 2.4 Million Dollars

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malkie wrote:
Fri Aug 29, 2025 2:56 pm
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I find it fascinating that Mormons can criticise people for giving advice to others about leaving their religion when that religion is Mormonism, but will cheer on their missionaries and laud any success when they give advice to people about leaving their religion in favour of joining Mormonism.

It’s a clear double standard. It’s blatant hypocrisy. But they don’t see it.
But Mormons are encouraging people to leave the church of the devil, right? And Mormonism is the church of the Lamb of God
1 Nephi 14:10 wrote:Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil
Why would you not want people to leave the devil behind, and join the church of the Lamb of God instead?
One would always hope that another person would be able to discern what is true and what is not true. The apostle Paul was right, however. We work out our own salvation. God forces no man to choose one thing over another.

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I Have Questions wrote:
Fri Aug 29, 2025 6:57 pm
malkie wrote:
Fri Aug 29, 2025 2:56 pm
But Mormons are encouraging people to leave the church of the devil, right? And Mormonism is the church of the Lamb of God

Why would you not want people to leave the devil behind, and join the church of the Lamb of God instead?
One wonders why Nelson didn’t denounce the Pope and his cardinals to their faces. Rather than cowardly taking passive aggressive cheap shots in their direction from the safety of a conference room full of yes men and yes women.
I read about Nelson's visit to the Pope in my relative's Catholic newsletter. For the Pope, it was a very minor event, squeezed in next to a visit from a cyclist who had won a race in Europe recently. It didn't sound like the Pope knew who Nelson was any more than he knew who the cyclist was. They were just on his schedule as extremely brief visits, back to back, by people wanting to honor the Pope. The Pope was always extremely gracious in his visits with numerous people, according to this newsletter.
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Marcus wrote:
Fri Aug 29, 2025 9:49 pm
I Have Questions wrote:
Fri Aug 29, 2025 6:57 pm
One wonders why Nelson didn’t denounce the Pope and his cardinals to their faces. Rather than cowardly taking passive aggressive cheap shots in their direction from the safety of a conference room full of yes men and yes women.
I read about Nelson's visit to the Pope in my relative's Catholic newsletter. For the Pope, it was a very minor event, squeezed in next to a visit from a cyclist who had won a race in Europe recently. It didn't sound like the Pope knew who Nelson was any more than he knew who the cyclist was. They were just on his schedule as extremely brief visits, back to back, by people wanting to honor the Pope. The Pope was always extremely gracious in his visits with numerous people, according to this newsletter.
Wouldn’t the Pope know he was in the presence of the only authoritative priesthood holder on Earth? Didn’t the Pope see “the light in his eyes”? :roll:
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Mag’ladroth wrote:
Fri Aug 29, 2025 11:26 pm
Marcus wrote:
Fri Aug 29, 2025 9:49 pm
I read about Nelson's visit to the Pope in my relative's Catholic newsletter. For the Pope, it was a very minor event, squeezed in next to a visit from a cyclist who had won a race in Europe recently. It didn't sound like the Pope knew who Nelson was any more than he knew who the cyclist was. They were just on his schedule as extremely brief visits, back to back, by people wanting to honor the Pope. The Pope was always extremely gracious in his visits with numerous people, according to this newsletter.
Wouldn’t the Pope know he was in the presence of the only authoritative priesthood holder on Earth? Didn’t the Pope see “the light in his eyes”? :roll:
No more so than if President Nelson visited any one of a number of religious leaders. Which he has. There is nothing more special about the Pope.

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Fri Aug 29, 2025 9:10 pm
malkie wrote:
Fri Aug 29, 2025 2:56 pm
But Mormons are encouraging people to leave the church of the devil, right? And Mormonism is the church of the Lamb of God

Why would you not want people to leave the devil behind, and join the church of the Lamb of God instead?
One would always hope that another person would be able to discern what is true and what is not true. The apostle Paul was right, however. We work out our own salvation. God forces no man to choose one thing over another.

Regards,
MG
The vast majority of the people in the world have failed to find "what is true" in Mormonism. That includes the majority of those contacted by, or even taught by, the Mormon missionaries.

My interpretation: people generally don't believe the LDS church has the truth because they discern correctly that it does not.

I could be wrong, of course, and it could simply be that the methods used by the church are uninspired and extremely inefficient, and that the "Holy Ghost" is really badly off his game.
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malkie wrote:
Sat Aug 30, 2025 1:51 am
MG 2.0 wrote:
Fri Aug 29, 2025 9:10 pm
One would always hope that another person would be able to discern what is true and what is not true. The apostle Paul was right, however. We work out our own salvation. God forces no man to choose one thing over another.

Regards,
MG
The vast majority of the people in the world have failed to find "what is true" in Mormonism. That includes the majority of those contacted by, or even taught by, the Mormon missionaries.

My interpretation: people generally don't believe the LDS church has the truth because they discern correctly that it does not.

I could be wrong, of course, and it could simply be that the methods used by the church are uninspired and extremely inefficient, and that the "Holy Ghost" is really badly off his game.
Why do you think God seemingly would hide Himself behind an almost inscrutable shield of opaqueness if He exists? Let’s take that a step farther and let’s say He has His reasons.

What WOULD make sense? Something you could get on board with and believe.

You have said you are agnostic. Why?

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Sat Aug 30, 2025 2:57 am
malkie wrote:
Sat Aug 30, 2025 1:51 am
The vast majority of the people in the world have failed to find "what is true" in Mormonism. That includes the majority of those contacted by, or even taught by, the Mormon missionaries.

My interpretation: people generally don't believe the LDS church has the truth because they discern correctly that it does not.

I could be wrong, of course, and it could simply be that the methods used by the church are uninspired and extremely inefficient, and that the "Holy Ghost" is really badly off his game.
Why do you think God seemingly would hide Himself behind an almost inscrutable shield of opaqueness if He exists? Let’s take that a step farther and let’s say He has His reasons.

What WOULD make sense? Something you could get on board with and believe.

You have said you are agnostic. Why?

Regards,
MG
The simplest answer is that neither your god nor any other such entity exists. My reference above to the holy ghost was tongue in cheek.
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malkie wrote:
Sat Aug 30, 2025 3:23 am
MG 2.0 wrote:
Sat Aug 30, 2025 2:57 am
Why do you think God seemingly would hide Himself behind an almost inscrutable shield of opaqueness if He exists? Let’s take that a step farther and let’s say He has His reasons.

What WOULD make sense? Something you could get on board with and believe.

You have said you are agnostic. Why?

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MG
The simplest answer is that neither your god nor any other such entity exists. My reference above to the holy ghost was tongue in cheek.
Why do you exist?

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Sat Aug 30, 2025 4:06 am
malkie wrote:
Sat Aug 30, 2025 3:23 am
The simplest answer is that neither your god nor any other such entity exists. My reference above to the holy ghost was tongue in cheek.
Why do you exist?

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MG
Sorry - I don't think that's a question that I can answer. I think you think you can, but I don't believe that's the case.
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Mag’ladroth wrote:
Fri Aug 29, 2025 11:26 pm
Marcus wrote:
Fri Aug 29, 2025 9:49 pm
I read about Nelson's visit to the Pope in my relative's Catholic newsletter. For the Pope, it was a very minor event, squeezed in next to a visit from a cyclist who had won a race in Europe recently. It didn't sound like the Pope knew who Nelson was any more than he knew who the cyclist was. They were just on his schedule as extremely brief visits, back to back, by people wanting to honor the Pope. The Pope was always extremely gracious in his visits with numerous people, according to this newsletter.
Wouldn’t the Pope know he was in the presence of the only authoritative priesthood holder on Earth? Didn’t the Pope see “the light in his eyes”? :roll:
Why hasn’t President Nelson been able to convince a single solitary other Church leader that they are mistaken and should join the SLC LDS Church. Has he even tried? And if not, why hasn’t he? He expects members to try and convert their neighbours and work colleagues.
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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