Does Uncle Dale Receive Special Protection Here?

[_EAllusion]

There's a further problem here in that Mikwut has a long history of being quite civil in discussion, and all he seemed to do in the quoted section is give a very negative assessment of what Dale was doing. It doesn't even appear to be an uncalled for insult. Marg's moderating failed miserably.

[_Dr. Shades]

Well guess what? marg is no longer a moderator, so your fears are moot.

[_marg]

Ah, but if you see marg's (ever so condescending and smug) reply to my comments, you'll see that I apparently threw out that opinion with so little effort, time and thought invested.

I totally agree with your opinion...I wonder if I have enough time invested. I did moderate this place for like 18 months. Is that enough?

What is this about? Ok wimps what are you complaining about?

[_marg]

For those who think the moderating was excessive in the Book of Mormon authorship thread, there was virtually none there, but of the little that was, it was done because the standards are meant to be higher in that thread.

[_marg]

marg is not far off an atheist version of juliann.

Sheesh you are a twit-nit.

[_marg]

Also, it's an incredibly bad idea to start censoring posts because the mods feel they contain logical fallacies. That's to be sorted out in the give and take of the discussion and to be determined by the readers. That's the whole point of many of the conversations taking place here. It's an even worse idea to have someone like marg, who isn't very good at understanding the flow of an argument, to be making these judgment calls about what is and isn't an informal fallacy. Of course, by "ad hominem" marg probably just means the person was being pointlessly insulting, but I'm going on what's written. I also don't think she can moderate insults in a way that is not irredeemably biased.

Shades I vote...that EAllusion be made a moderator.

[_marg]

Seriously? "Danny Boy" is enough to not only get deleted, but REPLACED with "Mr. Peterson"?????

This kind of moderation is incredibly stupid.

I suppose it was almost inevitable that the pendulum would swing a little too far in the other direction. But when making course corrections, it's probably rare to get it precisely right the first time.

Rest assured that such things won't happen again.

Shades you should stop being so spineless..seriously. In the Book of Mormon Authorship thread the level of discourse should be higher than typical in the Terrestial..that is what was agreed to. It should not be okay to use disrespectful labels for anyone.

The amount of moderation in the Book of Mormon authorship thread was minimal.

[_antishock8]

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In my back and forth over my banning the Mod came right out and said he is moderating with a bias.

Could what's left of the shrinking mod team please authentically ban antishock8 so his fantasies as stated above are made reality?

antishock8 was never banned. Not once. Not ever.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=de ... n&aq=f&oq=

You all need to figure out what a word means. I was prohibited, barred, or forbidden to post because I responded to Mr. Peterson's personal attacks and insults with a personal attack. How you ban one poster from posting for a personal insult while not banning another for a personal insult is beyond me.

Oh. Wait.

You 'mod' with a personal bias.

MAD&B Lite.

Anyway. Whatever. Like I said. No one is forcing anyone to post. There is a clear and self-admitted Mod bias, and if someone doesn't like it he or she can leave. I've accepted the fact that if Mr. Peterson calls me poor antishock8 I will call him a fat “F”. And then you will ban me, and not him for a "personal insult". It's cool. That's they way you do things here.

[_Dr. Shades]

Shades you should stop being so spineless..seriously. In the Book of Mormon Authorship thread the level of discourse should be higher than typical in the Terrestial

Actually no, it shouldn't.

..that is what was agreed to.

That wasn't my understanding. My understanding was that we'd be more vigilant than normal regarding the splitting of derailments or off-topic posts, nothing more.

It should not be okay to use disrespectful labels for anyone.

In a perfect world, yes, it shouldn't be okay. But A) people are people, and B) this is the Terrestrial Forum.

The amount of moderation in the Book of Mormon authorship thread was minimal.

All things considered, yes it was. But it was the quality of the moderation that people are complaining about, not the quantity.

I was prohibited, barred, or forbidden to post because I responded to Mr. Peterson's personal attacks and insults with a personal attack.

No, you were banned for flagrantly disobeying instructions after repeated requests and pleas to do so, and for declaring that you'd continue to flaunt the moderators regardless of what they did.

How you ban one poster from posting for a personal insult while not banning another for a personal insult is beyond me.

That wasn't the case; see above.

Anyway. Whatever. Like I said. No one is forcing anyone to post. There is a clear and self-admitted Mod bias, . . .

No there isn't. There may have been a dangerous brush with it, unfortunately, but we've snapped back and it won't happen again.

I've accepted the fact that if Mr. Peterson calls me poor antishock8 I will call him a fat f***. And then you will ban me, and not him for a "personal insult". It's cool. That's they way you do things here.

"Poor Antishock8" is hardly an insult at all. "Fat f***" is far more blatant and insulting. There's a qualitative difference at work here. Don't worry: If you had ever said "Poor Daniel Peterson," that would be allowed to stand just as "Poor Antishock8" has.

[_marg]

Shades you should stop being so spineless..seriously. In the Book of Mormon Authorship thread the level of discourse should be higher than typical in the Terrestial

Actually no, it shouldn't.

..that is what was agreed to.

That wasn't my understanding. My understanding was that we'd be more vigilant than normal regarding the splitting of derailments or off-topic posts, nothing more.

Well, when someone addresses another disrespectfully it easily can end up being a derailment. My notion of "spoiling the well" is that the case hasn't been made, the discussion is on going and ad hominems are made to pre-emptively influence the audience to not take the other person seriously in the discussion. It's a tactic to try to prevent or hinder the other person from making their case.

It should not be okay to use disrespectful labels for anyone.

In a perfect world, yes, it shouldn't be okay. But A) people are people, and B) this is the Terrestrial Forum.

If you want serious people to discuss an issue and raise the level of discussion then tactics should be reduced or not allowed. There was a suggestion I don't remember from who to move the thread to Celestial and I suggested and maybe someone else as well to leave it there and treat as Celestial anyhow. You do realize that most discussions in the Terrestial go no where because of gameplaying tactics. What you don't appreciate Shades is that if someone is serious in the discussion such as many of the participants in that thread, and if they are willing to put in time and effort it not fair for that effort to be hindered.

The amount of moderation in the Book of Mormon authorship thread was minimal.

All things considered, yes it was. But it was the quality of the moderation that people are complaining about, not the quantity.

Most of the people complaining haven't been following the thread. Those putting their 2 cents in here..I've had in discussion, disagreement in the past and it appears they are taking this opportunity to complain because they have a chip on their shouder. That applies to EA, Jason, apparently skipping the dead who I don't even remember ever talking to, B23.

AS far as your comment re quality, I only gave one warning in there for an ad hom. And I've moved a few posts (4 or 5)associated with an ad hom because they were off topic. I didn't actually move the post that was ad hominal in that case..just the noise it generated and that's the one Brent was involved in. And I moved a number of posts at the beginning all at once 10 or 15 which were all off topic at the request of Jersey Girl. That's all that was done.

It's nice to know you agree with these people.