The Website that Decimated Oxygenadam's Testimony

[_harmony]

Yes, I've noticed. It is frustrating for someone like myself, highly educated and well read, to be misunderstood by someone else because of lack of education.

Tooting one's own horn is a sign of lack of self confidence.

[_oxygenadam]

Yes, I've noticed. It is frustrating for someone like myself, highly educated and well read, to be misunderstood by someone else because of lack of education.

Tooting one's own horn is a sign of lack of self confidence.

1. Do you, harmony, ever ever have anything of value to contribute to a thread?

2. Do you ever say anything positive?

[_harmony]

1. Do you, harmony, ever ever have anything of value to contribute to a thread?

"Value" is in the eye of the beholder, I suspect.

2. Do you ever say anything positive?

Often. Whenever it's merited.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

You do not know that Zeus does not exist, and neither do I. I make an educated guess that Zeus and every other ancient God were all just different names for the same being who created us. Some cultures understood this God better than others.

Hello Mr. Oxygenadam,

I absolutely know Mr. Zeus does not exist in the same sense I know Mr. Claus does not exist. Your attempt at an argumentum ad ignorantiam is silly. You are stating that the Universe is so vast that odds are somewhere there does, indeed, exist a deity called Zeus and because we cannot be everywhere at once, and because I cannot disprove your assertion then it has to be true!

What wonderful Mormon logic!

Sir, there is no Mr. Elohim. He is not in my house. He is not on this planet. There is no planet nigh unto Kolob where he resides with his plural wives making more gods-in-embryo. This is a fact. Your inability to distinguish between fact and fiction is what drew you back into the fantasy of Mormonism; either that, or you simply want to find a woman, which seems likely in your case.

You do not need Mormonism to be a good person, Sir. You can choose not to drink and do drugs, donate a portion of your money to charity, find a woman who shares your values, be part of a community, all of it, without belonging to a cult that dictates your dress, behavior, and strict obedience to its leaders.

Very Respectfully,

Doctor CamNC4Me

[_Nightlion]

Thought some might be interested to read the E-mail I just sent to the guy at Saints Alive.

Rich,
The God-in-a-Box McGospel that you sell is false.
You pitch a false relief from guilt and a lie of salvation.

The gift of God is eternal life. But it is not merely by accepting it.
You franchise the atonement of Christ like you were selling fast food.
The shallowness of it all bespeaks the enmity you bear God and Christ.
Few reap a worse reward than those who put up a stumbling block and finesse
the souls of the children of men OUT OF THE WAY.

Not that the LDS in particular do not deserve to have to wonder.
They, like you, have their own franchise that pitches another false way.
The Lord was very clear that the early LDS Church was under condemnation
for NOT doing according to that which is written. Specifically, in the Book of Mormon
about how to bring forth fruit meet for the Father's kingdom.

The gospel is from the beginning and the Old Testament saints knew what was expected of them to come to know the Lord. They were to circumcise the foreskin of their hearts that
God could put his love upon them and give them a new heart. That is why God gave them the physical sign of the covenant in their flesh, to make them know what is expected of them in the heart. Same as being born again of fire and of the Holy Ghost.

Christ was among the Jews after he was risen for forty days. He held no alter call and was never handing out free passes to Heaven for anyone who wanted one. He told them to continue until they received the promise of the Father, the baptism of fire and of the Holy Ghost. They continued with one accord fasting and praying until their hearts were acceptable to God and the Day of Pentecost was fulfilled. Confused now aren't you?

Nobody, and especially not God, makes covenants with people on the fly, as if it were the slightest of inconveniences, and please excuse the least burden of earnestness, just take what you want like it was another breath of free air. Where is the worship, the fear of the Lord, the knowing anything at all about the reality of the Almighty God in such light blasphemy? What comes easily is esteemed of little value. You trample upon the Holy One of Israel with your vulgar contempt at packaging your McGospel for the masses. FEW THERE BE THAT FIND IT!

Modern Christians tell you to come on down and pick up you free gift like it was a reward for showing up at the seminar. This is smart packaging that keeps the wheels in spin and helps the bottom line as it is always expected that a free will offering is appropriate. You, and all the rest of your ilk are snake oil pitchmen using Jesus and eternal life to hound out a living grinding the faces of human expectations and fear for filthy lucre.

I have already told you what the truth is. But your agenda will not have it. Notice that?

James

[_sethpayne]

I absolutely know Mr. Zeus does not exist in the same sense I know Mr. Claus does not exist.

Dear Sir,

Please be so kind as to prove both of these assertions.

Kindest and most sincere regards,

Seth

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Hello Mr. Sethpayne,

Proving a negative is not impossible, nor is it a logical fallacy. I can prove my assertion simply because I cannot produce either deity. Mr. Zeus & Mr. Claus do not exist because they do not exist. Neither one is in my house as I type this. Neither one is in my pocket. Neither one is in my yard. These are facts. Until you produce them it is my claim that stands. This is fundamental to rational, logical thinking.

Your attempt at a universal quantification requires a proof, and Sir, you have not produced one.

That aside, Mopologists such as yourself simply will not define exactly what constitutes a god, and then fail to provide the parameters in which this god exists. It is not up to the skeptic to prove an infinite number of possibilities becase we are not making the positive assertion. My proof is simply reality until otherwise disproved. The onus in on the believer to produce that which he asserts. My responsibility is to produce nothing which confirms my assertion of a negative.

Good day, Sir.

Very Respectfully,

Doctor CamNC4Me

[_Paul Osborne]

Proving a negative is not impossible, nor is it a logical fallacy. I

Good point. Mormon apologists spend a great deal of time defending the idea that something not seen can never be proven wrong. Apologists are always on the defensive. How about they show us a sign? How about Monson call down fire out of heaven and prove he has unearthly power?

Paul O

[_sethpayne]

Again dear sir, it would serve you well to know something about the person to whom you are replying before posting.

I thought we already established what happens when you assume. Although in this case it appears that you are only making an ass of yourself.

[_oxygenadam]

I can prove my assertion simply because I cannot produce either deity.

You cannot produce Betty White either, yet you would agree that she exists, wouldn't you?

Disclaimer: If Betty White passes away during this thread, please note that she existed at the time of this writing.

Mr. Zeus & Mr. Claus do not exist because they do not exist. Neither one is in my house as I type this. Neither one is in my pocket. Neither one is in my yard. These are facts. Until you produce them it is my claim that stands. This is fundamental to rational, logical thinking.

I am not in any of those places either, yet I am fairly certain that I exist.

It seems that you believe that because you can't see it, feel it, smell it, taste it, or hear it it does not exist. How arrogant you are: you believe that you are the measure of all things, and all things must be revealed to your five senses, or they do not exist.

That aside, Mopologists such as yourself simply will not define exactly what constitutes a god, and then fail to provide the parameters in which this god exists. It is not up to the skeptic to prove an infinite number of possibilities becase we are not making the positive assertion. My proof is simply reality until otherwise disproved. The onus in on the believer to produce that which he asserts. My responsibility is to produce nothing which confirms my assertion of a negative.

You aren't very educated, are you.