Simon Belmont: This is what "quote mining" means

[_Kishkumen]

How many pages are you going to talk to yourself without showing anyone where I supposedly said that Jesus actually, physically got raped?

Simon has a perverse imagination.

[_Simon Belmont]

You're always saying crap like that, Simon. Then we look in vain for any statement that would demonstrate your clear apprehension of the issue. Standard operating procedure for the Mopologist. "Nuhuh!"

Look at page 7, where Darth J. answered my question thusly:

Do you, Darth J. believe that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints teaches that Jesus felt the physical and mental pains and sensations of a male raping a female, and of a female raping a male, of all people from the beginning of time until the end of time?

Yes or no will suffice.

Yes.

Emphasis mine.


Edit: Then Darth J. backtracked... "no... he, uh... imagined it... yeah, that's it!"

[_Darth J]

How many pages are you going to talk to yourself without showing anyone where I supposedly said that Jesus actually, physically got raped?

Simon has a perverse imagination.

That's the dementia that Mopologetics forces you into. He will actually keep repeating that my saying that in some way we don't understand, Christ vicariously suffered every possible kind of pain and sorrow a person can face in mortality, is a distortion of LDS doctrine.

[_Simon Belmont]

...my saying that in some way we don't understand, Christ vicariously suffered every possible kind of pain and sorrow a person can face in mortality, is a distortion of LDS doctrine.

Which was not your original position (see above).

[_Kishkumen]

Look at page 7, where Darth J. answered my question thusly....


Edit: Then Darth J. backtracked... "no... he, uh... imagined it... yeah, that's it!"

Simon, what is your view?

[_Nightlion]

Through this suffering, Jesus redeemed the souls of all men, women, and children “that his bowels may be filled with mercy, according to the flesh, that he may know according to the flesh how to succor his people according to their infirmities.” In doing so, Christ “descended below all things”—including every kind of sickness, infirmity, and dark despair experienced by every mortal being—in order that He might “comprehend all things, that he might be in all and through all things, the light of truth.”

Hmm. Looks like Elder Holland is flagrantly misrepresenting LDS doctrine again.

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Holland's an idiot. Christ was the light of life and in all things and through all things from the beginning. He did not need to pick it up again. That's recreational insight. Or playing fast and loose to give em a goose.

[_Darth J]

Do you, Darth J. believe that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints teaches that Jesus felt the physical and mental pains and sensations of a male raping a female, and of a female raping a male, of all people from the beginning of time until the end of time?

Yes or no will suffice.

Yes.

Emphasis mine.


Edit: Then Darth J. backtracked... "no... he, uh... imagined it... yeah, that's it!"[/quote]

And ironically, in a thread about quote mining, Simon Belmont left this out of my answer:

Chap already explained it in this thread:

1. Women who are raped feel the sensation specified by Belmont.
2. According to James E. Faust, the Savior suffers everything we could feel.
3. Therefore the Savior suffers the feeling specified by Belmont.

The straw man that you are yourself raping is your insistence that I have proposed some mechanism of how this would have happened, or that I have stated that the Church teaches some mechanism of how this would have happened. I have never made that statement.

Also ironically, in a thread about misrepresenting what someone said, he is misrepresenting my statement about "vicariously" as if to say that Christ imagined it. In this thread, both Buffalo and I have provided quotations where LDS General Authorities have said that Christ suffered vicariously for us.

And now we are back to projection, where Simon Belmont's lack of faith in the power of the atonement because he can't make sense of it is imputed to me.

[_Kishkumen]

That's the dementia that Mopologetics forces you into. He will actually keep repeating that my saying that in some way we don't understand, Christ vicariously suffered every possible kind of pain and sorrow a person can face in mortality, is a distortion of LDS doctrine.

I think it is because you type it in the wrong spirit, Darth. If you were to throw in some smarmy statement of wonder, praise, or gratitude, you would probably be pronounced wise.

[_Darth J]

...my saying that in some way we don't understand, Christ vicariously suffered every possible kind of pain and sorrow a person can face in mortality, is a distortion of LDS doctrine.

Which was not your original position (see above).

In your next post, show where I ever claimed that the Church teaches that we understand how Christ would have experienced this suffering on behalf of other people, or where I ever said that Christ had to physically, mechanically experience rape as part of the Atonement.

[_Kishkumen]

Also ironically, in a thread about misrepresenting what someone said, he is misrepresenting my statement about "vicariously" as if to say that Christ imagined it. In this thread, both Buffalo and I have provided quotations where LDS General Authorities have said that Christ suffered vicariously for us.

And now we are back to projection, where Simon Belmont's lack of faith in the power of the atonement because he can't make sense of it is imputed to me.

He would probably do better were he having an actual crisis of faith and acknowledging it. He is up to his eyeballs in deception.