the narrator wrote:I doubt that The Brethren (TM) had much to do with pushing Peterson out.
But you're admitting "something to do?" And if so, how do you know that "something" wasn't timing and Bradford had no choice but to move when he did. If anyone wants to give DCP the benefit of the doubt, they need to give Bradford's timing the benefit of the doubt too.
"And the human knew the source of life, the woman of him, and she conceived and bore Cain, and said, 'I have procreated a man with Yahweh.'" Gen. 4:1, interior quote translated by D. Bokovoy.
the narrator wrote:I doubt that The Brethren (TM) had much to do with pushing Peterson out.
But you're admitting "something to do?" And if so, how do you know that "something" wasn't timing and Bradford had no choice but to move when he did. If anyone wants to give DCP the benefit of the doubt, they need to give Bradford's timing the benefit of the doubt too.
Sorry, let me be more clear. I doubt that The Brethren (TM) had anything to do with pushing Peterson out. This didn't happen suddenly.
You're absolutely vile and obnoxious paternalistic air of intellectual superiority towards anyone who takes issue with your clear misapprehension of core LDS doctrine must give one pause. - Droopy
In other words, you have no idea what you're talking about.
You're absolutely vile and obnoxious paternalistic air of intellectual superiority towards anyone who takes issue with your clear misapprehension of core LDS doctrine must give one pause. - Droopy
Shulem wrote: I have plenty of ideas. You go to hell.
Paul O
By virtue of being on these damned boards, I'm apparently already there. Better to be in hell than an ignorant fool.
You're absolutely vile and obnoxious paternalistic air of intellectual superiority towards anyone who takes issue with your clear misapprehension of core LDS doctrine must give one pause. - Droopy
liz3564 wrote:What I find unfortunate is that Bradford did not give Dan an opportunity to at least show him what had been put together for the newest review edition. If he had conducted previous conversations with Dan about the Review going in a new direction, maybe Dan was attempting to do just that, which was why there was a delay. Dan mentioned in his response that the new edition was almost ready to go. Why did Bradford not simply wait until Dan was back from traveling? Or, better yet, ask Dan to email him a copy of what he had already put together for the review, and find out how close it was to being executed? If Dan's new edition, had, indeed, "met the mark" of going this new direction, maybe the editorial change was unnecessary. Maybe Dan was hoping to prove this with the new edition that, as Dan said, was close to being ready.
To come to this type of decision while Dan was away was, I think, a low blow for Bradford. As Bradford, himself, pointed out, this has been "Dan's baby" for the past 20 years. He wanted Dan's continued involvement and a smooth transition. Maybe if Bradford had given Dan a chance to prove that he could adjust to the new change, it would have saved everyone a lot of headache. It sounds like there was a huge breakdown in communication, which was exacerbated by the fact that Dan was out of the country when this decision was hastily made.
I understood from the emails that the issue was ready but that Bradford has seen it and was "unwilling to publish [it] as it stands." And DCP responded that Bradford was "spiking this issue [i.e., of the Review]." So I think there was nothing "to wait for" -- the volume wasn't going to get published (probably due to the Dehlin dust-up). As for Bradford doing this while DCP was far away, I agree that this was a poor way of handling it.
Hmmm....I didn't quite read Dan's response in the same way. He said that the delay was due to changes Bradford wanted to see made (i.e. spiking this issue). Dan further indicated that his associate editors and writers needed to be paid their current fees because they had been working on the current edition of the review that was very close to being ready to go.
the narrator wrote:I doubt that The Brethren (TM) had much to do with pushing Peterson out.
He was canned from on high!
Church Board of Education and BYU Board of Trustees
Thomas S. Monson, Chairman Henry B. Eyring, First Vice Chairman Dieter F. Uchtdorf, Second Vice Chairman
Russell M. Nelson M. Russell Ballard
Neal A. Maxwell Institute for Religious Scholarship M. Gerald Bradford
You left out that the Pres. of BYU is an Emeritis 70.
And that inidividual apostles have had a long history of micro managing issues at BYU.
If Jerry Bradford sacked Mormonism's most visible apologist from his most visible apologetic position without direct and meaningful GA involvment, the narrator must thing he's an idiot.
I don't.
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"And the human knew the source of life, the woman of him, and she conceived and bore Cain, and said, 'I have procreated a man with Yahweh.'" Gen. 4:1, interior quote translated by D. Bokovoy.
liz3564 wrote:Dan further indicated that his associate editors and writers needed to be paid their current fees because they had been working on the current edition of the review that was very close to being ready to go.
Actually, Dan wrote that the issue of the Review "was finished and ready to go." Bradford wrote he was "unwilling to publish [that issue] as it stands."
"Moving beyond apologist persuasion, LDS polemicists furiously (and often fraudulently) attack any non-traditional view of Mormonism. They don't mince words -- they mince the truth."
-- Mike Quinn, writing of the FARMSboys, in "Early Mormonism and the Magic World View," p. x (Rev. ed. 1998)